Garrulous Glaahk Wizard Orcasus Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 hi guys, I'm new here and I want to talk about the factions in G5.what faction do u guys think is right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 None of them, so squeeze them all for whatever you can to make yourself powerful. Welcome to Spiderweb Software. Please leave your sanity at the door. It will help as the other members flame me for giving the right answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Wizard Orcasus Posted October 13, 2012 Author Share Posted October 13, 2012 I think that Trakovites are the right Faction becuase creations brings more bad then good and it is true (U can almost say that Mother Nature is PUNISHING the Shapers becuase they are Shaping things to Life and now she make the creations to go rogue and let them even become Intelligent) well it's mine Opinion. Now tell me about ur Opinion I don't see Creations as our children. ( rebels ) I don't use Creations as our Bodyguards or Servants u can almost say they are mindless slaves.( Shapers ) I think Creations are animals that should be left alone or u will get yourself attacked. ( Maybe Trakovite ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Cpt. Charles Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Originally Posted By: Randomizer None of them, so squeeze them all for whatever you can to make yourself powerful. Auyep. That's pretty much it. It's hard to say which one is more 'right'. That's the point, they're not black and white. Both have good points and bad points. Personally, though, I do tend to favor towards the Shapers. Controlling shaping prevents more disasters, and keeps lunatics from wreaking havoc. Not that some of the shapers aren't lunatics, however... Who can say? However, my opinion doesn't affect my gameplay in the slightest. I do what will give me the most reward. I'm a bit Munchkinish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Wizard Orcasus Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 Some Shapers can go MAD at all the work they do so ill say that some Shapers are lunatics.So it shows that neither Shapers nor Rebels should control the Shaping ability. No one should control shaping abilities! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 But Shapers kept it under good control and used it to help land. If an ability exists, shouldn't one use it for good, like for crops and defense? The Rebels started the war. Alwan finished it. But that's just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Wizard Orcasus Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 It's ur opinion and I respect it but Litalia wants me to bring people to our believes so think of what I said earlier. I'm mad I know lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I see value in Litalia's opinion. And really, I wouldn't be so bothered by it if it would kill the shaped crops, and land, which would drive millions from areas as it turns back to desert. Maybe to get rid of fighting creations, and just keep the good shaping? I guess a cross wouldn't be that terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Litalia and the Trakovites have no plan to get rid of successful Shaped creations, just end the development of new forms. (Besides, if we look at G2, it doesn't sound as though shaping plants is a strong point of the Shapers anyway.) Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Catoblepas Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 You say Shapers cannot be trusted because some go mad... but you trust Litalia? I suggest you re-examine some of her actions in Geneforge III, ha- The Academy, the mind controlled serviles, the creators, the monastary of tears, she was responsible for all of it, with a healthy helping of sanctimonious lecturing! Litalia is probably the single *worst* individual in the entire series, bar Taygen. Her becoming the leader of the Trakovites was the worst thing that could have happened for the organization. As for who is the *right* faction, I would have to go with Alwan. Unfortunately there is no moderate shaper faction in Geneforge V, since Alwan is a traditionalist, Rawal is on no one's side but his own, Taygen is a genocidal maniac, and Astoria isn't even a shaper faction. Since I believe that shaping is a power that needs to be controlled, and the rebels oppose that 100%, I have to go with the Shapers, despite my dislike of how they treat Serviles. I personally think that giving creations such as Serviles more rights is a change that needs to take place from within the shaper organization itself. Destroying it lets loose a whole number of other problems, as we have seen, such as unbound, self shaping, and genocide. As we see over the course of the series, the actions of the rebels only serve to push the shapers further and further away from questioning their practices. While Alwan is not perfect, he is the best the Shapers have at the moment, and far better than the Drakons, Litalia. (and personally, Astoria strikes me as a bit dense) *spoilers below* I was plesantly suprised how nice Alwan is in his ending however, he even lets Greta and the Drakons live after he defeats them, and it made me gain a lot more respect for him. I find it interesting how much as a character he grows over the series, a lot more than that worthless, cannister-warped, Drakon-lackey Greta! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Cairo Jim Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 It's ur opinion and I respect it but Litalia /quote] She was for a very short time a Shaper, but for 99% of the Geneforge series she was an insane Rebel. In fact, so mad I thought she was suppose to of been dead in each game, only to hear she somehow made it into the next. Now I hear she magically shaped herself into a Trakovite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Wizard Orcasus Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 It's ur opinion and I respect it but u say that all that was shaped to Life will die?... maybe the creations that can't reproduce will die but I think that the plants can reproduce like they can make seeds.So I doubt the plants that have been shaped will die. P.S did u guys notice that the area of Rebels have no grass? (I think it's called Grayghost Mountain idk) It can be true that the plants that have been shaped will die with time. If I was Litalia I would bend the rules of the Trakovites and let the Shapers shape some plants but the long lasting ones,not the ones that they will always need to shape. Well if I was Litalia I would go to Sucia Island and call it Trakovanos Island and again bend the rules to choose only people that can be trusted to shape. I would call them the 'Allowed Ones' and train them in melee,magic and shaping! so they can protect Trakovanos Island. And ofcos they will receive a lot of training. these are only some ideas if Jeff ever read this post u could use some of what I said for maybe another game u will make? thx guys I want to know more opinions. P.S I want someon to really proof that the Trakovites are tottaly wrong. ( Trakovites allow the use of Magic! thats very kind and with time they could go do a lot of research to improve their spells or make new spells available!^^, that would be really cool ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Wizard Orcasus Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 Lol Litalia never magically shaped herself into a Trakovite but I think I know what u mean Litalia have been in all the 3 sects, the Shapers , the Rebels, and now the Trakovites sect. she had experienced with the Rebels and Shapers sects to only notice that the Trakovite sect is the Just one but ofcos they have their bad points. If I was an outsider I would believe in the believes of the Trakovites in silent so the shapers won't notice me because they will kill me. The Shapers doesn't have tottaly control over their creations some of them even go rogue or are too free and intelligent and not to say manage to even escape!( like those thahds that were in the workshop in the Whites Spires, one of them was intelligent! it's a really goodluck that he didn't go rogue and begin to kill people)It shows u that not even shapers can't control their creations even if it was an accident they need to be more carefull because what if that thahd with his other friendo's have gone rogue and kill some people (outsiders)! I don't know if people see it but the shapers doesn't really care if a creation dies nor a servile and more bad even an human an outsider! because if they really care they would be 100% procent careful with their creations and secrets! I would like to see more opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Originally Posted By: Catoblepas Litalia is probably the single *worst* individual in the entire series... I will have to disagree, she always fought for her beliefs, it's a different matter that her beliefs kept changing as she saw more and more of the world and gained experience, It was also admirable that she managed to pretty much cure herself of canister addiction ,a very difficult task considering the challenges she always kept facing,No "bad at heart" guy would have managed to do that. As for the faction i am inclined to go with the trakovites, the rebellion started BECAUSE shapers had their bad points,It grew into something which certainly can't be supported (Unbound and such) and basically it was the power of shaping that led to all this destruction, the trakovites even if not perfect seem to be the most reasonable and sane faction in this hindsight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk MrRoivas Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 This question was always easy for me. Astoria. Her option gives creations rights while maintaining necessary and proper controls on shaping. What's not to like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Catoblepas Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Originally Posted By: Mosquito---Slayer Originally Posted By: Catoblepas Litalia is probably the single *worst* individual in the entire series... I will have to disagree, she always fought for her beliefs, it's a different matter that her beliefs kept changing as she saw more and more of the world and gained experience, It was also admirable that she managed to pretty much cure herself of canister addiction ,a very difficult task considering the challenges she always kept facing,No "bad at heart" guy would have managed to do that. As for the faction i am inclined to go with the trakovites, the rebellion started BECAUSE shapers had their bad points,It grew into something which certainly can't be supported (Unbound and such) and basically it was the power of shaping that led to all this destruction, the trakovites even if not perfect seem to be the most reasonable and sane faction in this hindsight. She might have cured her addiction, but I don't think that automatically makes her a good person, or means she is 'good at heart'. The only things that change about her over the course of the eries is her reliance on cannisters and her faction. She still uses the same methods, and always holds an absolutist moralistic view for whatever faction she belongs to. Furthermore, I think her actions in geneforge 3 speak for herself- she actually likens the school massacre to the servile massacre she participated in that turned her away from the order. Somehow she seems unable to connect the two morally. And lets not forget the way she leaves cannisters scattered behind in her wake-it's implied on the second island that at least some of these are intended to be bribes, that is-she is trying to turn the PC from the shaper order not only with her paper-thin morality tirades, but by making the PC an addict. There is evidence in Geneforge 3 that she doesn't even consider serviles or other intellignet creations to be equals, despite her much spouted morality. She outright says that she does not care what you do to the creator on the first island, and on the second island, there is a rogue mage who keeps a private army of mind-controlled servilles-with Litalia's consent and support. Of course there are the spawners and creators- which are far more of a danger to outsiders than to the shapers themselves. Lastly, there is the monastary of tears-run by outsiders who could not have been more removed from the conflict in ideology and physical location. They were outsiders, they had no creations, they did not provide any aid or comfort to the shapers, and were rounded up and massacred on Litalia's orders. She didn't *have* to even kill them, it is heavily implied that most if not all surrendered or were camptured, but were executed nontheless. Litalia in geneforge 3 is an absolute monster who commits all of the evils she accuses the shapers of and then some, and is a complete hypocrite who cannot/ will not see the contradiction in her words. In G4 she goes off the cannisters, yet it is outright stated in dialogue that she does not see serviles/humans as people and is only mimicking human emotion-I think that if anything, her morality is more ego-driven than anything else at that point. she obviously has no investment in those around her-she is only going through the motions of what she *thinks* is moral without any capacity to understand morality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Wizard Orcasus Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 That was when she was a Rebel lackey, now she is a Trakovite that wants to end this War and the ones that will come too P.S I want to close this topic but how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Catoblepas Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 She did betray the rebels and join the Trakovites, which is a good thing, but I question if she did it because she is 'good at heart' By the end of Geneforge 3 she stripped pretty much all human emotion and has utter contempt for the PC, in Geneforge 4 she is trying to learn how to act more human, but it is obvious from he dialogue that she sees other sentients as objects, not as equals. Her moralizing was never solid to begin with-in Geneforge 3, where her most heinous crimes were committed, she is at her most human, she only loses humanity over the series, and it is heavily implied that what humanity she shows in G4+5 is faked. Heck, over the course of the series, she gives what? Three different stories on why she betrayed the Shapers? She also keeps the PC's identity from them in G5 (one of two people who definately know the PC's identity), there really is no reason to trust her whatsoever, considering she has no empathy for people, lies through her teeth, and seems to feel like morality is tied to her by taking as extreme measures as possible to obtain her goals, this is a horrible combination, IMO. People who cannot empathize are the last people who should be moralizing, esp peopel like Litalia who have such extreme 'my way or no way' and are willing to go to such extreme measures to ensure victory. Taking over the Trakovites utilated the movement into almost the polar opposite of what it originally stood for. Old Trakovites were a reaction towards the evils of shaping, and was more of a philophical/non-violent movement. Litalia stoops to exactly the same depths as the Shapers and Rebels, and personally embodies the worst of both factions through her actions in G3 and G4 and in her backstory. The Trakovite ending in G4 proves that the Trakovites did not need her to win, but by embracing her as their leader, they became something far less noble. Remember that in G4, the Trakovites sent an emissary to her-whom she sent roamers after to hunt down and kill. In G5 the same person who would send roamers to tear someone limb from limb, someone who was a diplomat from a largely non-violent philosophy is setting the agenda for that same faction, IMO the Trakovites from 5 and 4 are two different animals. We will be switching over to the new boards on Monday, the topic probably won't carry over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Originally Posted By: Catoblepas We will be switching over to the new boards on Monday, the topic probably won't carry over. It will. Everything will. Or at least, that's the hope. And regular members can't lock or delete topics. Once a topic is released into the wilds of SW, it stays in the wild. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Can't we catch it with our Master balls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Wizard Orcasus Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 ok, but for now forget about litalia I will kill her in the game later and become the new leader of the Trakovites under my leadership we will prevail! P.S I know I'm mad... I like to make game stories too let's leave this topic closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Wizard Orcasus Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 Guys today i finaly made it i finally could get the purity agent thing done and litalia said to the council that they can make creations that can reproduce only. i'm very happy with litalia's allowance sorry if i said creations should not be made anymore. now i see the only ones that can reproduce can only be made after all those are the ones that truely have a space in our world now for sure this topic is closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I will concede that she did some pretty brutal things in G3 and maybe she was a bad individual there, but as G4 and G5 are concerned she is trying to rectify what she did and she is trying to become a better person, Looking at serviles and humans as objects is not something that's her choice she is forced to do that because of the effects of canister, the only possible solution to that is giving up canisters and she manages to accomplish this painful maneuver, as for her taking extreme measures you have to consider that she was always fighting for the faction which was very small at that time and needed to be kept alive by whatever means, her not dwelling into the PC's identity is just a reflection of the fact that she wants to leave her gruesome past behind and THAT is not a bad thing. As for trakovites accepting her you have to consider that they were a small faction hunted by both shapers and rebels and would probably have a sure extinction if they did not accept her, That might have to some degree made them impure but it was a necessary step to keep the movement alive and moralistically right too because this will eventually lead to a better life for people compared to the case when they would be wiped out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Topics don't close because you want them to. They close when everyone has gotten bored of posting in them. That, or someone posts something beyond insanity and no one is sure of how to respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Wizard Orcasus Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 OK, thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Kittygazer Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Something beyond insanity... Fyoras made of marshmallows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Originally Posted By: Kittygazer Fyoras made of marshmallows? I don't know how to respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Yes. Just yes. They would be self heating! Fyora marshmallow smores? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Kittygazer Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Edible cotton candy gazers with chewy taffy eyes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Wizard Orcasus Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 lol what are u guys talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk The Reincarnated Baron von Steuben Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 All right... this thread got wayyyy off track wayyyy too fast... I believe the title is "what faction is right" not "CANDY CREATIONS! YAAY!" Now, for the correct faction? There really is no "right" persay faction. All of them have their rights and wrongs, pros and cons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Catoblepas Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I agree. I think people naturally have a way of being able to point out which factions they do *not* like in the geneforge games... but trying to find one that is objectively 'good' is an exercise in insanity for the most part. In Geneforge 5 I think that Alwan is the 'best' faction choice that I have experienced (still have yet to try Astoria) but that beign said, he is only the best out of the pack of terrorists, genocidal maniacs and self-intrested dictators. I would go as far to say that Geneforge 5 has the least 'good' selection of factions out of the entire series bar Geneforge 2, perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Zummi Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 this thread is so brave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Kittygazer Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Am I the only one who misses 'CANDY CREATIONS! YAAY!'? D: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I missed it. Like, I never actually saw it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Kittygazer Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 That was referring to MGS Babter's post not a movie... although interesting idea... Someone call the biggest producer in Hollywood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 We have already called Hollywood multiple times. The results were apparent. Hollywood currently has Spiderwebs phone numbers blocked, and has 3 restraining orders against our members. People don't seem to like the idea of a movie made about creations and shapers. Their loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Kittygazer Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 If you weren't responsible for at least 2 of the 3 restraining orders, I have lost respect for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I didn't count mine. There are 7 restraint orders against members in all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Kittygazer Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 *pats* Now go get Jeff to make G6! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Hey, guys, your enthusiasm for Geneforge is awesome, and it's great you have a lot to say about these great games, but as it stands there are three or four threads in this forum which have basically just become you guys chatting to one another. Obviously I can't tell you not to post, but if you're just having a conversation to one another maybe moving your discussion to a private message would be better; I know I'm having a hard time keeping up, and it'd make the threads less cluttered with general chit-chat. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Kittygazer Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Its kind of dead for other posts atm and we are talking loosely about the topic at hand and giving our opinions on said topic. We can stop but then this part of the forums would be completely dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Of course Nikki! I apologize This gives a great Idea. Why does spidweb not have its own chat? Like, make a chat and make it accessible to the forums by link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Kittygazer Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 That would be nice! Like those insert chats you see on other forums sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Because a chat would require constant moderation which is not something SW or this community have the resources for. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 There used to be AIM chats held outside the Spiderweb Board, but it was hard to get too many people at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 There is, of course, always calref - Sylae and the rest of the Refugees (which I guess may not be the correct term any more) are always welcoming of Spiderwebbers, and you're free to discuss anything there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 We're the Refugi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk The Reincarnated Baron von Steuben Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Hey... I killed the refugees in the Sea Caves on Greenwood Isle. Hey... guess what... you're dead. Hey... sucks to be you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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