PhysWiz Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 I went into two shops in Formello, Jasmine's place and Bernie's place, both along the north wall. I found I could steel anything and everything without anyone noticing. I then tried the same thing in the trainer's hall and my crime was seen! This is the first time I have ever experienced this anywhere. Any ideas??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomizer Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 As long as NPCs don't have a line of sight view you are completely safe. Although save before doing it and watch for messages is advised. Also towns have different limits on how much you can take and be seen without the place going hostile. This ranges from nothing to more than the items in the town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*i Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 If enough of your crimes get witnessed in a certain area, it will become hostile to you. The threshold is town specific. This prevents you from stealing everything in an area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andariel Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 That's news to me. I thought NPCs tolerance is related to your overall reputation: The more we liked you, the more we react kindly to your thievery. So, in that case, what are the effects of a bad reputation on NPCs? PS: You're sure it's "steel" instead of "steal"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreador Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Originally Posted By: Andariel PS: You're sure it's "steel" instead of "steal"? I only steal steel, so ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerakeen Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Originally Posted By: Andariel That's news to me. I thought NPCs tolerance is related to your overall reputation: The more we liked you, the more we react kindly to your thievery. So, in that case, what are the effects of a bad reputation on NPCs? You can’t really get a bad reputation. You may lose a few points for bad acts, but it won't make much difference. Reputation is occasionally checked when interacting with certain characters, for example the fletcher in Ft. Duvno will train you in missile skills if your rep is at least 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhysWiz Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share Posted May 28, 2012 opps, steal is what I meant. (Do pirates steal with steel??) My reputation is "5" What happens is that I walk into Jasmine's place and steal some armor (marked NY). She is standing right there, but the game says "You stole the item without anyone seeing you." I basically steal everything marked NY and I get the same response. I go next door to Bernie's shop and do the same thing. I go next door to Jen's and do the same thing. All while these shopkeepers are standing right there. However, Claudette, Miles, and the trainer see me if I steal. Also, if I send one person into Jasmine's shop and put the rest of my team near Claudette, then stealing from Jasmine's is seen, presumably by Claudette. I have played this game before, and other versions of Avernum too (AV 4,5,and 6) and I have not seen this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerakeen Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Ah. OK. There are three kinds of NPCs: friendly, neutral, and hostile. Notice how if you highlight Claudette her name appears in green? While Jasmine and Bernie are sort of purple. Green indicates a friendly NPC (same color as your characters), and purple means neutral. Neutral characters don't care if you steal, and won't attack you even if you turn the town hostile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikki. Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 You're also unable to harm them too - at least in older SW games. I haven't tried being homocidal in A:EftP yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerakeen Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 I'm pretty sure you can harm them physically , but you might have to keep force-attacking every turn. And if they don't turn hostile, you can't target them with spells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earth Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I have 47 rep before assassinatin emperor and no quests on list which increase rep (actually quest list is quite empty besides few delivery quests and assasination). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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