Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Few times when 1st caster has used Haste-spell party hasn't got hasted (no icon next to char's pic) and mage hasn't been behind wall or too far, is that normal or bug? When 2nd caster uses it then there's icon on battles where 1st caster's haste has failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Kinsume Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Is your first character a Fighter with no int, just a couple points in Mage Skill for the buff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted April 15, 2012 Author Share Posted April 15, 2012 1st char is fighter and so is 2nd (and both have few points in intelligence), 3rd and 4th are casters but that's got nothing to do with my question. Case is my 1st spellcaster casts Haste but there's no icon next to chars titles but when 2nd caster casts Haste icon appears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Buffs have short durations by default in this game. (It may actually be that, as with healing, Intelligence doesn't boost their effect at all, only Priest/Mage Spells, level, and skill in the spell itself.) So that is why. Buffing is a skill that requires the attention of a focused spellcaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Kinsume Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 He is saying that he casted the spell in range of the other PCs and in sight of them, but it is failing. I attributed that with like how spells can miss on higher level monsters. That was my thinking with the low Int on fighters thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted April 15, 2012 Author Share Posted April 15, 2012 last time it happened 1st caster was next to others and 2nd caster right behind 1st. not that its useful spell, lasts 3 turns and doesn't give 2nd attack that often (at least in beginning) and needs to be renewed all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Kinsume Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 My guys are only level 9 and I only use my mage for haste and it works just fine. Spellcasters in this game have to be dedicated to buffing every few rounds if you want to maintain them. Honestly though I can typically start an internal fight by buffing before hand and not have to worry about it again, and this is on Torment. Unless it is a boss then typically I'll renew buffs mid fight. If its a random encounter, goodluck trying to buff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Kinsume: Right, I'm suggesting that the spell didn't fail outright, it simply ended up producing a duration of zero, so there was no actual impact from casting it. (Curses can miss. Buffs can't miss.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted April 16, 2012 Author Share Posted April 16, 2012 blessing spells duration can be 0? better not happen on some really difficult battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Okay, I think I lied. On examining the data, it looks like Haste can miss: it only has a 5% per power level chance of working. The power level formula is something like 1/2 your level + Mage Spells skill + points in Haste (maybe + Intelligence, not sure) so it is pretty easy to reach 20 points and have it always work. It does mean fighters do not make good hasters, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 @Slarty: Hmmm. Interesting. If the formula exists as is, low level mages should miss frequently with haste, and I didn't notice that. Consider pretty typical stats for an early game caster of haste: level 5, 7 mage skill, 1 point in haste. That should mean haste misses more than a third of the time, and I haven't noticed that in any of my plays (I would also imagine that we'd get a lot more 'haste-oddity' threads on here if dedicated casters failed at it frequently). As such, I wouldn't be surprised if intelligence does contribute to the chance, though obviously I couldn't say for sure without seeing the data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk ShieTar Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Never seen a fail either. I just went and used the editor to set my L12 Mage to 1 Int, 3 Mage Spells, 2 points in haste and no traits, and started casting Haste. Never failed in about 50 casts, even though according to the above formula the power level should be 11 or 12, so the chance should be no more than 60%. This is from the Windows/Steam Version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Hmm. Maybe there is a base of 50% + 5% per point? That would top out rather quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 so far haste hasn't failed after few early battles except 1-2 chars lose it earlier than others. my magepriest has blessing focus selected but priestmage hasn't got it yet (forgot). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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