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Ive been thinking about jeffs new perk system from playing some fallout 2 and it occurred to me. Jeff might include passive perks along with ones you have to activate. For example, beastmaster perk is an active perk which allows for you to summon a monster once per day. Whereas the perk-onehanded weapon specialist would be passive. Im wondering because will jeff possibly add perks such as dagger mastery/sword/mace mastery like in exile games? I hope he does because I think that a good mix of both passive and active perks will be good for avernum and weapons mastery traits are cool too.

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Jeff has already described the trait system. It's mostly passive bonuses to things you already do, with a few (he listed Swordmage and Backstab in his blog) that have larger effects on how you play, not just how good you are at what you do.

 

—Alorael, who would continue to rely on battle disciplines and spells as the major source of things you activate.

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Avernum has never been a game for D&D-style rogues, and while there's nothing wrong with a game that rewards the use of daggers, it also has nothing to do with realism. It's equally reasonable to say that any thief who's not totally broke would happily trade in his dagger for a good, hefty sword.

 

—Alorael, who just assumes that dashing highwaymen with their swords are the successful thieves who can afford to move to the suburbs. The poor are stuck in blighted urban neighborhoods, trapped in the spiral of poverty where they can't rob anyone with money because they lack real armaments and can't afford armaments without robbing someone with money. It's shivs for coppers forever.

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So if that is the case with rogues, then what kind of weapon perks would we be likely to see, if any. As it stands now, ive got about no idea where jeff is going with this perk system he is launching. He says there are only few game-changing ones like backstab which i can guess is from avadon, so im really not sure what to expect with the perks. They must be passive, yes that makes sense. But is he going to go as far as fallout with say- Beastmaster (summon beast twice a day) a la avernum original, with others toughness (again original avernum).

 

I could somewhat guess driftmoon's perk system and how it would turn out as i had an idea what they were thinking before i bought it. But jeff..thats another matter.

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Originally Posted By: Reverse the molarity!
—Alorael, who just assumes that dashing highwaymen with their swords are the successful thieves who can afford to move to the suburbs. The poor are stuck in blighted urban neighborhoods, trapped in the spiral of poverty where they can't rob anyone with money because they lack real armaments and can't afford armaments without robbing someone with money. It's shivs for coppers forever.


And their neighbours aren't worth robbing - even for the busfare to the 'burbs.
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Actually, its interesting you should say that. We learned of a man that wrote a book about his theft escapades in school. The man was a drugdealer who made the statement that the only way he could maintain his drug problem was to steal $1000 a day from people. He stated that the only way to do this was to rob from the poor. He made the assumption that the rich were too difficult to rob (security) whereas the poor had no security. He achieved this for 20 years until he passed away of natural causes and was never caught.

 

It makes sense if you think about it. Why steal $1000 from a guy that has an insane amount of securty, when you can steal $10, multiple times from a guy with none.

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Look at it the other way around. How many poor people do you need to rob to get $1000? Most won't have nearly that much cash around, especially not if you mug them. They'll have things you can take and sell if you break in, but their stuff likely won't be as valuable. On the other side, you have the rich, who likely will have security.

 

—Alorael, who thinks the profits would be highest from the middle class. No security beyond some home alarm systems. Nice enough stuff to be worth selling. Reasonable chances of substantial pocket change. Often less likely to be armed and dangerous than the urban poor.

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Originally Posted By: Death Knight
Whichever way you look at it, the guy still did it. Next week in class im asking my philosophy teacher what the book he wrote is called. I really want to know how he pulled it off. Evil or no evil, thats an insanely hard task to do.


well, he wrote a book, anyway. whether he did what he wrote about doing is a separate question
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Actually, its interesting you should say that. We learned of a man that wrote a book about his theft escapades in school. The man was a drugdealer who made the statement that the only way he could maintain his drug problem was to steal $1000 a day from people. He stated that the only way to do this was to rob from the poor. He made the assumption that the rich were too difficult to rob (security) whereas the poor had no security. He achieved this for 20 years until he passed away of natural causes and was never caught.


What drug habit costs a thousand dollars a day to maintain?

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well, he wrote a book, anyway. whether he did what he wrote about doing is a separate question


Yeah, a lot of this sort of thing gets exaggerated in the telling, especially when the storyteller was not exactly compos mentis during the period in question.
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How did this alleged book get published, anyway? Presumably it wasn't published during the thief's lifetime, since he was never caught and writing a book about your crimes isn't a good way to not get caught. Did he have a provision in his will that the book be taken to a publisher upon his death? Why? And if so, who witnessed the signing of the will -- wouldn't they then have to know of the existence of the book, and be trusted to keep quiet about his crimes? Wouldn't this make them accessories?

 

The more I think about this, the less sense it makes.

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"He achieved this for 20 years until he passed away" seems to imply that he was still stealing throughout his entire life, so it can't be the statute of limitations. Even with a pseudonym, he or somebody working on his behalf would have to contact a publisher, and anyone who saw the manuscript would be at best a material witness and at worst an accessory.

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Even after deducting living expenses from said $1000/day, the poor guy would struggle for any sort of day-to-day function without having to worry about organising burglaries and evading capture. And writing a book? Idts!

 

 

Perhaps only a portion of the proceeds was used to support his habit. The remainder might be used for dyalisis to survive decades of kidney punishment. This would leave him free in the evenings for creative writing. tongue

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