Kyshakk Koan Velzan Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 just recently was watching something including the title and thought. How would you Trap/kill those? erm, Banish them. This is Theoretical. and In RL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Niemand Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Well, in Real Life there are no demons or spirits, so depending on how you look at it, trapping/killing/banishing them is either undefined or impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Disprove them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Øther Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Being that I don't think that they exist, I don't think that I will ever need to trap or banish them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila everyday847 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Yeah, there's really no way to answer this question. There aren't objects with which we can interact that could interact with spirits or demons or whatever (unless you have a really strange construction of what a spirit or demon would be, were one to exist). The natural bridge is that you have to assume that magic (of some form; doesn't matter if it's FMA's alchemy, So You Want To Be a Wizard style, Robert Jordan style, D&D style, Spiderweb Software style, whatever) exists. That magic could be directed against the demon or spirit or it could be used to enchant a weapon. But since magic doesn't exist, this isn't real life; since neither demons nor spirits exist, I'm not too worried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I have met the demons and they are us. —Alorael, who supposes this makes banishment even more problematic. Everywhere he goes he finds himself there at exactly the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Frozen Feet Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Depends on what kind of spirit or demon you are trying to banish. There are so many different mythological beings, without knowing exact name and nature of the critter it's hard to give any help. Most common methods involve bribing them with fruit or smoke from sacrifices, painting or hanging crosses on the doors and windows, hitting them with a silver weapon or driving them away with bells or big bonfires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Monroe Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 It's perfectly reasonable to imagine spirits existing. Banishing them would be more difficult, because they would exist on a level we don't fully understand, hence the difficulty in proving/disproving them. In the same manner that animals are unable to understand the problems humanity faces and knowingly help us with them, so we are unable to knowingly aid spirits with whatever extra-dimensional problems they might be facing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Velzan Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 Well First of all. I dont think that we know if Demons exist or not. Maybe they are just really good at hiding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Niemand Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Quote: I dont think that we know if Demons exist or not. Maybe they are just really good at hiding Much like Russell's Teapot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Originally Posted By: Niemand Well, in Real Life there are no demons or spirits, so depending on how you look at it, trapping/killing/banishing them is either undefined or impossible. But but but... I just watched a History Channel Special on how Hitler's ghost is going to cause the 2012 apocalypse because of a secret Illuminati plot based on a evil society founded on all that lost Nazi gold! And it had to be real, I saw it on TV! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Frozen Feet Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Oh, come on now! For generations of people, demons and spirits were not some abstract things you went about proving or disproving, they were something you drove away by banging pots loud enough! There are dozens of traditions and methods for these things! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Make them listen to politicians, that will drive them away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Velzan Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 Thought. Salt circle? Heh Heh. Salty Demise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 If they somehow existed, it would be in a state requiring a knowledge of physics way beyond my comprehension. So if you can't call in the Ghostbusters, call in some theoretical physicists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Originally Posted By: Excalibur call in some theoretical physicists. Yeah, just get Gordon Freeman in to crack some heads with a crowbar, that should solve any demon problems you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 The Kantian Demon obligates me as a utilitarian to do all in my power to obliterate utilitarianism and promulgate Kantianism. If anyone knows anything about exorcism, I'd appreciate it. —Alorael, who tried being more excellent than the demon. His hubris was met with the usual inconceivable punishment for deviation from strict deontology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 UPON WHAT VIRTUE DOST THOU MEDITATE? > THE CATEGORICAL IMPERATIVE THOU ART NOT ABLE TO FOCUS THY THOUGHTS ON THIS SUBJECT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Velzan Posted June 26, 2010 Author Share Posted June 26, 2010 You make no sense. Gee If only You could Paint real Chineese paper bombs. That would show a demon whos Boss! As i See it there are Three ways to exorcise a Demon. One. Beat it until it Finally Say ENOUGH OF THIS! im Out Dawg. Two. Kill The Host. THREE. Try to Use some way off the internet . if that doesnt work use way one. If way one fails use way two. And if way two fails Your just Screwed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Originally Posted By: Velzan You make no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Thaluikhain Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Well, it would help if the terms involved were at all defined. But, generally speaking, if it can interact with us, we can interact with it. And if it can't, it is immaterial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Frozen Feet Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 This topic contains awful levels of stick-in-the-mudness. One perfectly valid way to trap a kitsune, a japanese demon fox, would be to offer it a bowl of sake with a piece of fried tofu. When the fox is blitzed, you can try to snare it - if tries something funny, you can try banging pots to disrupt it's illusions. You should be careful, though. Kitsunes are well-known tricksters, and can take the form of alluring young female to throw you off. Many different spirits and demons can be fooled by offering them foodstuffs. Kappas, for example, like cucumber, if I recall right - reminds them of squishy human heads or something. Oh, and you can also bow to a Kappa, so when it replies, the water drop on its head falls off and it becomes powerless. Of course, many spirits and demons are creatures you don't kill or trap - you just stay the heck out of their way, or scare them away. Here in Finland, evil ghosts were driven away by bonfires or running around a house in circles, waving a whisk as you went. Some like Nahkuri (Flayer) were just evaded by not going to sauna at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody waterplant Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Originally Posted By: Frozen Feet a japanese demon fox Not Japanese but anyway: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Kitsune aren't exactly demons, are they? Outside of Naruto, anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Well, if we really want to be pedantic, doesn't kitsune just mean 'fox'? I mean, when I hear 'raven', I think of the bird, not the trickster deity from Pacific/Inuit First Nations mythology. (Okay, I'll be honest -- I think of the character from OMF2097.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Right, but that's because 'raven' is an English word. As Wikipedia says: Quote: Kitsune (狐, きつね, ki·tsu·ne?, IPA: [kitsɯne]) is the Japanese word for fox. Foxes are a common subject of Japanese folklore; kitsune usually refers to them in this context, and are akin to European faeries. Stories depict them as intelligent beings and as possessing magical abilities that increase with their age and wisdom. Foremost among these is the ability to assume human form. While some folktales speak of kitsune employing this ability to trick others—as foxes in folklore often do—other stories portray them as faithful guardians, friends, lovers, and wives. Edit: To be fair, this mostly fits "demon" just fine, except for the connotations of evil and infernal that tend to go along with "demon". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Nevermore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Velzan Posted June 26, 2010 Author Share Posted June 26, 2010 Personally, i dont see why demons even BOTHER with illusions. If i was a demon. Id just bite your head off and be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Many more common demons are actually quite small and thus incapable of a full scale assault on a person. Therefore, they use illusions to scare us, preventing us from fighting back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Besides it's fun confusing you mortals. There's more mischief in using illusions than straight forward scaring you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Frozen Feet Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 They're yokai. It all depends on how lax your interpretations of "demon" and "Spirit" are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug GIFTCockroach Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 No Frozen Feet, you are demon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Originally Posted By: Monroe It's perfectly reasonable to imagine spirits existing. Banishing them would be more difficult, because they would exist on a level we don't fully understand, hence the difficulty in proving/disproving them. In the same manner that animals are unable to understand the problems humanity faces and knowingly help us with them, so we are unable to knowingly aid spirits with whatever extra-dimensional problems they might be facing. How can we be sure they do exist? We have regular contact with lesser animals. A Dog knows that its master exists, even if he or she doesn't understand what it is. Presumably, we have no contact with Spirits on any level, and if we did, we would be aware of their presence without a doubt. It seems that a slew of cultures and religions (dare I say all) focus on some sort of abstract being that is constantly present in our lives. Some of these even go back to prehistoric times, when Man was at its most primitive. You would think now, being so much more intelligent then we were, we would communicate with "Spirits." Perhaps we just aren't there yet, but imo, Spirits are just an explanation for what we don't understand, not the definition for a creature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Originally Posted By: Master Ackrovan Presumably, we have no contact with Spirits on any level, and if we did, we would be aware of their presence without a doubt. Not true. Not true at all. There are hoards of bacteria all around you, and you have no conscious awareness of any of them. There are myriad organisms and forces acting on and in us constantly, yet we are unaware of most of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Originally Posted By: Master Ackrovan It seems that a slew of cultures and religions (dare I say all) focus on some sort of abstract being that is constantly present in our lives. Some of these even go back to prehistoric times, when Man was at its most primitive. You would think now, being so much more intelligent then we were, we would communicate with "Spirits." Perhaps we just aren't there yet, but imo, Spirits are just an explanation for what we don't understand, not the definition for a creature. Perhaps with our advancement in technology and "culture" we are actually losing our connection to spirits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Niemand Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 If you mean that we no long incorrectly attribute various phenomena to 'spirits', then yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Matanbuchus Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Spirits are easy, you just down them. But the demons that come after that are a whole different foe to face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 I have possessed his body. We are not monsters. Leave us alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Thaluikhain Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Originally Posted By: Master1 Not true. Not true at all. There are hoards of bacteria all around you, and you have no conscious awareness of any of them. There are myriad organisms and forces acting on and in us constantly, yet we are unaware of most of them. Um...if we know that, then we aren't unaware of them, by definition. Anyho, "spirits" et al can't be something we are unaware of, because if we were unaware of them this discussion would not be happening. If pre-historic man was aware of spirits, which did in fact exist, why then are we not aware of them now, to any extent at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Originally Posted By: Master1 Not true. Not true at all. There are hoards of bacteria all around you, and you have no conscious awareness of any of them. There are myriad organisms and forces acting on and in us constantly, yet we are unaware of most of them. The more interesting problem is that the bacteria are entirely unaware of us. Now that's not particularly interesting, as they're not sentient. But if we're like bacteria to spirits, or god, or whatever higher being you prefer, we're not only unaware, we're essentially incapable of becoming aware. —Alorael, who is perfectly capable of being aware of dragons, unicorns, Kantian demons, Egyptian mythology, and Realmz 2. None of these things exist. Spirits are perfectly intelligible and have been invoked, but so have many other things that have been subsequently rejected. Why should spirits get any more traction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Velzan Posted June 27, 2010 Author Share Posted June 27, 2010 Wait. has this gone to the spirits of the living the spirits of the dead or random "Spirits" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Øther Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 There's also the spirits that you drink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Originally Posted By: Øther There's also the spirits that you drink. Spirited spirits spirit me to spirits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Velzan Posted June 27, 2010 Author Share Posted June 27, 2010 i know. I just decided not to add that. thats also another way spirits possess you. They make you drunk Lawl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Alorael, don't throw out the baby with the City of Bathwater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Originally Posted By: Thaluikhain stuff Let me rephrase. We know things are there, but we have no conscious perception of them. For example, do you feel the earth flying through space at crazy speeds right now? As for us knowing whether or not spirits exist: Well we may have no hard proof, we can surmise their existence. Just look at dark matter, dark energy, and dark flow. (That was not a free pass for our resident physicists to go crazy.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Øther Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Yes, but I don't think we can use that logic for believing that there are peoples' souls wandering the earth, and they are invisible except when they choose not to be and then they look like they were when they died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Unicorns, the other white meat, are a perfect choice for those that can afford them. As to the question of why we no longer perceive spirits, it because science tells us they don't exist. If they can't be measured or detected then they fall to the wayside with all the other mythological beings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Velzan Posted June 27, 2010 Author Share Posted June 27, 2010 As a matter of fact i do feel the earth moving at crazy speeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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