Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Knowing, that Dialbo III is about to come out, i have taken to revisit the original Diablo game, and found it surprisingly good... Ogen, and his wine drinking fantasies, Griswold and his hell forge anvil... and found out that the many quest were very like those of Angband... I have two questions : 1-How is Angband remotely related to Avernum or Exile? 2-Do you think that the creators of Diablo one inspired themselves from folk tales for their level designs? ( ...the wells being clogged by demons as a frog in the story of the luck child and so on... ) and if so, from where did they pull their inspiration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 1. Besides Angband's predecessors, Moria and Rogue, being among the early RPG-like games for computers and ultimately both sharing a debt to D&D and Tolkien in the most general sense, they're not really related. Exile's immediate memetic ancestor is Ultima. 2. Folk tales? Probably not intentionally except for our popular conception of demons, which of course comes from the Bible, Dante's Inferno, Paradise Lost, and a lot of fantasy from the last sixty odd years. It's not exactly a game of subtle references. —Alorael, who would also be cautious about that "about to come out," as there is no announced release date and the company is Blizzard, which doesn't really believe in release dates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted April 11, 2010 Author Share Posted April 11, 2010 2-True, but it does use some interesting memes, the butcher for example is akin to the public image of an ogre, it's great clever similar to great Hercules' club, spell guardian, is close to the russian Zmey, also keeper of treasures... -Paradise lost and Dante's inferno had little to play with the change in description of demons, unlike Barlowe's God's demon of course... i suggest that a more recent view of the Bible may have done it, with of course the tales of the Shedim and Sher'im... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Monroe Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Originally Posted By: upon mars 2-True, but it does use some interesting memes, the butcher for example is akin to the public image of an ogre, it's great clever similar to great Hercules' club, spell guardian, is close to the russian Zmey, also keeper of treasures... Wow, not comparisons I would have drawn, and I doubt that Blizzard drew inspiration from any of those specific things either. Though it certainly speaks to the power of collective consciousness and the power of archetypes that you made those connections. One interesting thing about Diabo I is its lack of reference to other Blizzard games, probably since it was one of their earliest. Though I suspect Diablo 3 will contain an abundance of references to all three of their gaming worlds, sort of the developers way of stroking their own egos, I suppose. I just hope they don't completely recycle an old plot like they did with Arthas/Kerrigan. Though on second thought, it might be cool if they stole Warcraft 3's plot and had humans and demons (as opposed to humans and orcs) ally together to defeat an even greater threat to the world, like Heaven or something. That would be epic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted April 11, 2010 Author Share Posted April 11, 2010 Perhaps not, but knowing how far they went with the music, in Diablo and in star craft, the budget they had on the art direction in Diablo 2... I guess they dug pretty deep... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Originally Posted By: Monroe Though it certainly speaks to the power of collective consciousness and the power of archetypes that you made those connections. Presumably you mean the collective unconscious, since you are mentioning it together with the concept of archetypes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Monroe Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Sure, whichever one makes more sense. It's been a while since my one and only psych class, and Wikipedia articles on the two subjects are a bit sparse, so I'll just take your word for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Originally Posted By: upon mars Knowing that Dialbo III is about to come out... Originally Posted By: Alorael –Alorael, who would also be cautious about that "about to come out," as there is no announced release date and the company is Blizzard, which doesn't really believe in release dates. I just went on a roller coaster ride. I thought that maybe D3 somehow had had a release date set without my knowing. Thanks, Alorael, for crushing my dreams. That said, I really am not expecting it before 2012. Any time before that is just a bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 blizzards website is big on future feature announcements without any release dates at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 In D3, Blizzard reveals that the Prime Evils are responsible for development hell. Specifically, the development hell of Starcraft: Ghost. —Alorael, who was absolutely sure that the game would include a three-mouthed super-demon until Dante's Inferno became a game and snatched the rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 I remember hearing that Dante's Inferno was a game. And when are you going back to your normal graphic? I hate having to read your post to figure out who you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Originally Posted By: FUD Purum In D3, Blizzard reveals that the Prime Evils are responsible for development hell. Specifically, the development hell of Starcraft: Ghost. Ooh, does that mean you get to fight the developers of Duke Nukem Forever as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Originally Posted By: Master1 And when are you going back to your normal graphic? I hate having to read your post to figure out who you are. Eventually. Fortunately, you can skip the avatar altogether and look at the little line of text right above it to identify me every time! Originally Posted By: Ephesos Ooh, does that mean you get to fight the developers of Duke Nukem Forever as well? It's cruel to kick them while they're down. —Alorael, who also is unsure whether it would be appropriate to stat the sort of things that lurk in development hell lasting longer than a world war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Originally Posted By: Ephesos Originally Posted By: FUD Purum In D3, Blizzard reveals that the Prime Evils are responsible for development hell. Specifically, the development hell of Starcraft: Ghost. Ooh, does that mean you get to fight the developers of Duke Nukem Forever as well? Yes, and then the game culminates in a battle where you get to execute John Romero with a large sword. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted April 12, 2010 Author Share Posted April 12, 2010 Originally Posted By: FUD Purum —Alorael, who also is unsure whether it would be appropriate to stat the sort of things that lurk in development hell lasting longer than a world war. Well, i know what you mean, it's like waiting for Half-life 2 E3... i'll have kids before that's even released... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Originally Posted By: Master1 I remember hearing that Dante's Inferno was a game. There is a game, a button-mashing dungeon crawler for the PS3. It is loosely based on the original poem and is quite graphic and brutal. It was a lot of fun to play but sadly very short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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