Chittering Clawbug Simulated Knave Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I killed Sss-Thss, reported back to the king, and then a messenger ran in informing me Fort Remote had been destroyed. Click to reveal.. I went, checked it out, turned out it was Grah-Hoth. I'm sure everyone's totally surprised by this result. . This was doubly irksome because I'd gone and reassembled Demonslayer already and have all the information to go find and deal with said fellow. I just hadn't bothered. I guess the real question is - can you save Fort Remote? Presumably, it might be possible to set out and defeat the source of the problem before bad things happen to the Fort. However, if it's not possible to do so, I'm not going to bother going back to an older save and trying it. If it IS possible, how practical is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 The fort is doomed; you can't actually go and fight Grah-Hoth until after that event, because until then he's still sealed away. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Simulated Knave Posted January 28, 2010 Author Share Posted January 28, 2010 But...but I liked the people of Fort Remote! And they didn't even get to go down swinging! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 The only thing you can do is visit Fort Remote before the event so you can see how things were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Simulated Knave Posted January 28, 2010 Author Share Posted January 28, 2010 But...but that's the problem! I visited it, and I liked them. They were charming, and amusing, and looked much better not impaled on stalactites. Ah well. I guess my characters now have motivations beyond greed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 What I've always wondered is why Grah-Hoth attacks Fort Remote after you free him, instead of tearing apart one or more of the towns/forts in & around the Abyss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 He wants to attack Exile, and as of A1 -- with no Vahnatai and no Empire in the picture -- Exile and the Abyss were quite separate and not too friendly. The Great Cave wouldn't take it seriously if Spire was destroyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Maybe, but surely there are better targets than a tiny outpost on the far side of nowhere. Forts Dranlon, Saffron, and Emerald come to mind; the loss of any one of those would certainly do much more damage to Avernum than Fort Remote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Yeah, but Fort Remote is the only Exile outpost near Skarragath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Not really. I just checked the annotated maps; Forts Spire and Saffron are closer, and their destruction (especially if the spire on which Fort Spire is on also collapses) might cause your party to walk a bit farther to deal with Grah-Hoth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Actually, Fort Remote isn't anywhere near Skarragath. There's no known connecting cave between Skarragath and the lands west of Fort Remote that doesn't involve going through Fort Saffron and the Great Cave. —Alorael, who concludes that Grah-Hoth attacked a target of limited importance because he was thumbing his nose at Avernum. Or maybe he just missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Maybe it was the softest target available, the FR people were pretty easy-going. They also seemed cut off from the rest of Avernum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Originally Posted By: Ferrous Oxide and Turpentine Actually, Fort Remote isn't anywhere near Skarragath. There's no known connecting cave between Skarragath and the lands west of Fort Remote that doesn't involve going through Fort Saffron and the Great Cave. —Alorael Grah-Hoth was in Avernum before its founding, and would've surely known his way around its many caverns, so it's possible he knew of a route. And if there wasn't one, he simply could've teleported there and back. Originally Posted By: Ishad Nha Maybe it was the softest target available Well, if Fort Remote isn't the softest target, it's easily in the top five. Grah-Hoth most likely wouldn't have gone after the mages who imprisoned him, as they're too well-protected and/or powerful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 If Grah-Hoth is teleporting, he could pick a target arbitrarily. Silvar is pretty soft, too. If distance were a limitation, I'd still expect him to make it to Blosk. —Alorael, who now must ponder that demon's ways are not the ways of mere mortals. Maybe Fort Remote's architecture disturbed him. Maybe he felt a bond because his fort is also remote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I had thought I remembered demons charging in from the west, but I looked it up and I was wrong: they charged in from the east! Crazy. A weird attack indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Maybe the demons were trying to escape to the surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 more popula at surface but also more military and magicians and what i remember from a3 distances were quite big between cities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon The Almighty Doer of Stuff Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 In addition, Grah-Hoth was not at his full power at that time. He was still weak and recovering from his imprisonment. Perhaps he didn't think he had a chance against any place bigger than Fort Remote, or any place which the Exile army could get to quickly, such as Blosk, which is just a stone's throw away from the castle. Fort Remote is, indeed, remote, poorly staffed, and very difficult to defend against a sudden, powerful attack. In addition, Grah-Hoth also wanted to show that he had no mercy or sympathy for his victims. Destroying Fort Remote so thoroughly showed just how callous he was. In Exile 1, there were some encounters west of Fort Remote, where it says there used to be something there but it was burnt to ashes. Are those encounters different if you visit them before the attack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Sarachim Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 All of the reasons why one fort is more important than another depend on the needs and limitations of the human body. Grah-Hoth does not have any of these limitations, and he doesn't seem very curious about or interested in people. However intelligent he is, he may not properly appreciate the importance of the shortest path from point A to point B, or of protecting the cave with all the farms in it, or any other consideration that we might use to pick a first target. And since he's planning to destroy them all anyway, he doesn't have much reason to care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Originally Posted By: The Almighty Doer of Stuff In Exile 1, there were some encounters west of Fort Remote, where it says there used to be something there but it was burnt to ashes. Are those encounters different if you visit them before the attack? Possibly. Then again, I've played E1 maybe a handful of times at most, and only once all the way through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Simulated Knave Posted February 5, 2010 Author Share Posted February 5, 2010 The encounters west of Fort Remote are there prior to its destruction. I assumed they were people killed by the Gap Drake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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