Chittering Clawbug Potato Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 I was wondering if an Agent needed any Combat skills. I'm not sure whether to spend points on them or not, mostly Parry. I'm not sure if I need it as I'm usually attacking my enemies and running away, not getting hit. It'd be nice to know about Melee Weapons too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 On one hand, if you don't feel the need for them, you probably don't need them. On the other, Parry is a really good skill in G2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Potato Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 What about Melee Weapons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Hypnotic Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Agents don't need Meele weapons. You will be busy blasting away with a variety of spells and controling the minds of the rest. Parry is good. Agents only want a weapon for the Bonuses it will give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Parry's +5 bonus is freaking awesome. As a Guardian, nothing can hit you. Incredible. But yeah, invest some in parry, but stick with magic mainly. The wider variety of spells in G2 makes it easier to be a magic-only character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Shadow Bunny Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Originally Posted By: Dantius Parry's +5 bonus is freaking awesome. As a Guardian, nothing can hit you. Incredible. ...meaning 10 points blocks half the time. Seriously, the skill is amazing. Actually, having just started a replay of GF2 with a Guardian, I've noticed that hit chance seems to be really low across the board. Nothing can touch me, but my hit chance with melee weapons seems to be pretty horrible also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slariton Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Wait until you get to 20 Parry! Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 OT: Anyone remember when the Windows version of GF2 was much harder than the Mac version because of the increased skill point requirement? I think he called all of us babies before he fixed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 See above comments on Parry. A non-scaling Parry means that it's only 40 SP to get it to 20. Game over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Potato Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share Posted December 6, 2009 Yes, I know the benefits of Parry, I'm also running a guardian right now, and his parry is pumped up to 20. Literally untouchable (except for those pesky gazers, they are very annoying and I have to kill them in one round or they'll one hit kill me). However, so far, I am seriously not getting hit at all. I don't think that it will get any worse too, as I do not have strong daze yet (in awakened + zakary's area). I have forty points stockpiled up now, and I can pump parry to 10 if I use them all. But I think that there are other things it could be spent on to make it better like Intelligence, Magic, or even Shaping. EDIT: I still don't know what to do. A quick check allows me to see that these forty points can boost Battle Magic +4 to 14, +4 Spellcraft to 10, or give me 6 in a shaping skill, or and 4 into intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Hypnotic Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Agents do not need and will never need Shaping skills. You can forget Shaping. I would suggest a combo of Parray and battle magic. I'm actually surprised you're in awakend land with only 4 Battle magic. Focus on magic, you're an agent. Also for your guardian. If you ever run out of things to put your points into (Effectivly) than put them into Dex. That means you get hit less and when you do get hit you parry it or relfect it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Potato Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share Posted December 6, 2009 I have 10 battle magic and 6 spellcraft. What I meant was I could boost them both by four if I used all of my 40 skill points. And I am really not getting hit. I don't think that there will any problems between where I am now and when I get Strong Daze, which iirc, should daze everything, even Gazers and such. EDIT: I'm on Torment. Another EDIT: Yeah, I got Parry. Stupid clawbugs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I think Gazers are immune to mental effects in the earlier Geneforge games, so no, Strong Daze won't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Checked. Gazers/Eyebeats are completely immune to Mental Effects until G5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Even there, they have mad insane resistances. Some even are immune, like the Spectral Gazer in NW Samman's Isle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Hypnotic Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Has anyone ever had seven Eyebeasts in their party? I would immagine they would destroy everything then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 My Barzite Shaper managed to get 4 of them with intelligence at 2. He literally had no essence to even cast heal, but with 4 Eyebeasts, nothings really going to be a problem anyway. I don't believe its possible to have that many. There just isn't enough essence without cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Originally Posted By: Master Ackrovan My Barzite Shaper managed to get 4 of them with intelligence at 2. He literally had no essence to even cast heal, but with 4 Eyebeasts, nothings really going to be a problem anyway. I don't believe its possible to have that many. There just isn't enough essence without cheating. You must mean 20. Otherwise, you would have to be at about level 400. In G2, one hit from an eyebest makes the creature lose their turn. I had three once. The challenge area, with no buffs and no healing, plus AI on, felt like Jeff wasn't even trying. The Drakon Emperor never got a single hit on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Hypnotic Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I think he ment he gave the eyebeats 2 intellegence. I managed to get 4 In G5. Highest I have ever got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Originally Posted By: Dantius Originally Posted By: Master Ackrovan My Barzite Shaper managed to get 4 of them with intelligence at 2. He literally had no essence to even cast heal, but with 4 Eyebeasts, nothings really going to be a problem anyway. I don't believe its possible to have that many. There just isn't enough essence without cheating. You must mean 20. Otherwise, you would have to be at about level 400. In G2, one hit from an eyebest makes the creature lose their turn. I had three once. The challenge area, with no buffs and no healing, plus AI on, felt like Jeff wasn't even trying. The Drakon Emperor never got a single hit on me. ...I'm totally confused as to what you're talking about. 20 what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk llloyd Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 20 intelligence, since it would be impossible to have 4 eyebeasts with 2 intelligence EVER without SUPER CHEATING. a more ominous form of cheating that goes duhn...duhn...DUUUUUUHN. but after that it's impossible to die, side effects include overempowerment, false feeling of accomplishment, and empty feeling inside that says "you had to cheat, way to go loser", that you have to keep telling "shut up" until a rationale for the cheating is formed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 The intelligence of Ackrovan's PC was not mentioned. The eyebeasts have 2 points of intelligence put into them so they can be controlled in combat. Clear? And yes, Dikiyoba knows Hypnotic already said some of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I believe it was a little past 20, yes, but that really isn't at all that hard. Quite literally, I did a run through on easy pumping nothing else but intelligence. It was most certainly not optimal, and I had to use an editor to raise my Lead/Mech by the time I reached Medab. But it was fun, and damn it, I'd do it again if it wasn't for your meddling posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk llloyd Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Actually Originally Posted By: Master Ackrovan My Barzite Shaper managed to get 4 of them with intelligence at 2 that does not specify whether the eybeast or shapers intelligence was at 2, though kinda obvious not shaper's cause yes impossible if it's shapers, as mentioned like 900 kafillion times already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Immediately before that post, however, Hyp said: Quote: Has anyone ever had seven Eyebeasts in their party? I would immagine they would destroy everything then Which implies that I was respond to his question, since I didn't quote an earlier post. I suppose I could have said that I had managed 4 Eyebeats, all of which had two points of intelligence in them. I thought it was obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Pumping nothing but intelligence and making as many creations as possible is actually a pretty good strategy for a Shaper. I mean, you also want a bit of blessing and healing magic, and some shaping skills, but essence is the most important thing in the world for a Shaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Hypnotic Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 It depends really. Since both sentances make sence, even though one is impossible game-wise. I think its a accidental clever play on words. Well you cleared it up so we know now anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I've mangaged to have 6 in my party. But that was in G3 i beleive. Of course i was a shaper. Edit: I lied. I had a mix of eyebeasts and gazers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk llloyd Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 eyebeasts, my would-be best creation in game. unfortunately i think they look creepy and although have a cool tone and feeling about them i think it looks much more awsome to have (giant) dragons BURN EVERYTHING BURN. if i was not, damn i had something really good to say but got a soda and forgot. now i feel dumb for such a short attention span Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Shaper Tristan Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 in G3 i have managed three in my party, but i had barely any essence available for spells.(my shaper basically just sat there taking up AP) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Hypnotic Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 In G5 I had 4 with 2 points in Intellegnece for each one. i had enough essence for spells and and healing but not for essence buffs like Essence sheild. That run through I wasn't trying trying for Int either. I think G5 is the way to go for lots of eyebeasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Shaper Tristan Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 i forgot to mention i had 2 intelligence and 1 strength in each one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish Akharri Blaze Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Hey llloyd fix that short attension span of yours. thats the first sign that you might suffer from amnesia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 This thread hasn't been posted in for over two months. Illoyd hasn't been around for almost two months. Please do not post in old topics unless there is a really, really good reason to. As a precaution, Dikiyoba is locking the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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