Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Originally Posted By: Randomizer Almost all McDonalds breakfast items have meat or something that started out as meat (pork). That's why I stopped trying to get breakfast there. Are you vegetarian, or do you just dislike pork and/or McDonald's meat? I eat meat (and love it), but the crap they put in some of their breakfast things is enough to make me swear off meat if I couldn't get decent stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Originally Posted By: Randomizer Originally Posted By: Enraged Slith McDonalds this morning. Apparently, Egg McMuffins come equipped with ham. Almost all McDonalds breakfast items have meat or something that started out as meat (pork). That's why I stopped trying to get breakfast there. Can you think of a mainstream restaurant that doesn't serve meat in every menu item? Even salads generally contain loads of fried chicken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Originally Posted By: Half a person. Originally Posted By: Enraged Slith I'm not eating meat. Another convert. Another moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 What's "mainstream" in restaurants? Plenty of pastas can be meat-free. Just about any Asian cuisine, from the Middle East to Japan, has its vegetarian options. Only Europe has exceptional meat fixation. —Alorael, who isn't a vegetarian. He just says he is because he doesn't like the taste or texture of of meat and explaining that takes too much effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 ^Yes. With most meat, anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Originally Posted By: Enraged Slith Even salads generally contain loads of fried chicken. Fried chicken? In a salad? Oi! In other words, I much prefer spinach over lettuce in a salad. To me, the latter is just a surface for dressing to adhere to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Khoth Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 There are generally a reasonable number of vegetarian options in any restaurant I've been in. I do of course ignore them, and order a chunk of meat then complain to anyone with me that they cooked it more than they should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Originally Posted By: ☭ ^Yes. With most meat, anyways. Too easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Originally Posted By: Instant Nostalgia What's "mainstream" in restaurants? Plenty of pastas can be meat-free. Just about any Asian cuisine, from the Middle East to Japan, has its vegetarian options. Only Europe has exceptional meat fixation. —Alorael, who isn't a vegetarian. He just says he is because he doesn't like the taste or texture of of meat and explaining that takes too much effort. By mainstream, I am refering to your typical large chains like Applebees. Suburban areas don't tend to have the wide variety of cuisine choices that urban dwellers enjoy. It's all just as well, since I don't like eating out anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Originally Posted By: Reality is not a toy. —Alorael, who isn't a vegetarian. He just says he is because he doesn't like the taste or texture of of meat and explaining that takes too much effort. I love me my meats, but there are a number of things I would change if I were in charge. A lot of meat is too fat. I can't stand the taste and texture of fat. Stringy beef is the worst. Also, dry meat is nasty, as it dries out my mouth. Most meats seem to be lacking in flavor (at least in my mouth). Bacon, of course, is delicious, but chicken, turkey, and beef all seem pretty bland. I only taste the seasonings in all but the best beef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 I find that barbecued, seasoned meat manages to hold flavor quite well. Mmm...lamb with mint sauce and garlic is where it's at...or plain deer meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Originally Posted By: Excalibur In other words, I much prefer spinach over lettuce in a salad. To me, the latter is just a surface for dressing to adhere to. Purslane FTW! If only Dikiyoba didn't have anti-green thumbs and could actually grow it. You know your gardening skills are a failure when you can't get weeds to grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Everywhere has Chinese. Everywhere that isn't immensely rural will have at least one non-chain offering, and even rural areas are likely to boast a lone Thai place in driving distance or the Indian hole in the wall that you can't actually find. —Alorael, who prefers spinach as well. Romaine is good, but spinach is just better. Also, it sautées better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan inni Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Originally Posted By: ☭ Originally Posted By: Half a person. Originally Posted By: Enraged Slith I'm not eating meat. Another convert. Another moron. i remember another form saying that pigs are as intelegent as 3-year olds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 So? Nalyd would eat toddlers, if they were slaughtered and packaged for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan inni Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 the only time i would every eat any one (other than myself) is at a funeral. You give a bad name to cannibalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Originally Posted By: ☭ So? Nalyd would eat toddlers, if they were slaughtered and packaged for him. Has someone been reading "A Modest Proposal"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Most three year olds can talk and use simple tools. So can quite a few two-year-olds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Sapience is delicious! —Alorael, who sees nothing wrong with a more ecologically-friendly 11th trimester abortion. Okay, actually he sees several things wrong with it, but reducing carbon footprint comes with sacrifices. Like humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Xelgion Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Originally Posted By: Excalibur I find that barbecued, seasoned meat manages to hold flavor quite well. Mmm...lamb with mint sauce and garlic is where it's at...or plain deer meat. Deer meet is amazing. Salt, pepper, and a teeny bit of garlic makes it even better. And for beef, if its grounded, just adding salt will make it good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 English has this squeamish need to name different kinds of meat completely differently from the animals from which it comes. Pig meat is pork, cow meat is beef, sheep meat is mutton (though meat from younger sheep is lamb), deer meat is venison. Anyway, venison is indeed great, but if it comes from hunted wild deer, it has to have been treated properly. Certain glands have to be cut out of the carcass promptly, or the meat will all taste kind of sour and musty. Some people have only ever eaten venison obtained by inexpert hunters, and so they think that's how venison tastes. It doesn't have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Originally Posted By: Student of Trinity English has this squeamish need to name different kinds of meat completely differently from the animals from which it comes. Pig meat is pork, cow meat is beef, sheep meat is mutton (though meat from younger sheep is lamb), deer meat is venison. It just comes from the Norman invasion of 1066 (which dumped a ton of Norman French into English) and the fact that food words are borrowed more quickly and more easily than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 It was hardly the case, though, that the Saxons weren't eating pigs, cows, sheep, or deer before those Normans showed up and taught them the joy of grill. So it can't have been borrowing like 'curry' and 'chow-mein' (if those are even borrowed and not just made up). I've always heard it suggested that it had something to do with prestige: the Saxon words got associated with peasants digging muck in the pen, and the Norman words with lords reclining at table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Originally Posted By: Student of Trinity Most three year olds can talk and use simple tools. So can quite a few two-year-olds. That's not the issue. Convenience is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Merriam-Webster bears out that the animal words come from Old English (except pig, which only has an etymology back to Middle English) and that the food words come from Latin by way of Anglo-French. —Alorael, who imagines that the Normans brought a fair amount of new Norman cuisine with them. The animals were the same, but the food products (at least when highly prepared, as the aristocracy would eat them) were new and kept the Norman terms. So it might be the case that food adopts fast because generally it's convenient to keep the foreign word for a new dish, and the nobility is more likely to get those new dishes, so they're more likely to be the word-adopters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan inni Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Originally Posted By: Student of Trinity Most three year olds can talk and use simple tools. So can quite a few two-year-olds. 3 year olds do sound tasty (and theres so many of them.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan inni Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Originally Posted By: Reality is not a toy. —Alorael, who sees nothing wrong with a more ecologically-friendly 11th trimester abortion. Okay, actually he sees several things wrong with it, but reducing carbon footprint comes with sacrifices. Like humanity. the cost of raising a child till 18 can pay for 299 orphins in africa to eat till they are 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 who are you, thuryl? in all seriousness, I have to support the quality of life > quantity of life meme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Over 3 million dogs and cats are euthanized in America each year. We could be eating those too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Swimmin' Salmon Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 horse is yummy too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 I'm glad I already ate, because this is rather unsettling. I happen to be very fond of my three cats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Two words: Head cheese. To the squeamish: I know it sounds gross and looks a bit weird, but doesn't taste all that bad. Originally Posted By: Randomizer Almost all McDonalds breakfast items have meat or something that started out as meat (pork). That's why I stopped trying to get breakfast there. I stopped eating breakfast at McDonalds because 1) by my tenth birthday, I was a better cook than any given McDonalds' entire staff combined, and 2) the last time I had breakfast at McDonalds, I had a sausage mcmuffin that was 3 parts "muffin," 2 parts "meat," one part gristle & spices, and 5 parts grease of unknown origin. If I eat out for breakfast, I go to a regular restaurant and order an omelette. Quote: Excalibur: "It's The Mystic's birthday. Happy Birthday Mystic!" Anyone Else with Them: "Happy birthday!" A belated thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Originally Posted By: Student of Trinity So it can't have been borrowing like 'curry' and 'chow-mein' (if those are even borrowed and not just made up). I don't know about chow mein, but curry apparently just means a mixture of spices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Originally Posted By: The Mystic I stopped eating breakfast at McDonalds because 1) by my tenth birthday, I was a better cook than any given McDonalds' entire staff combined, Well, you don't know that. You're better at cooking when comparing to the food McDonald's workers "cook" (and by cook I mean reheat from frozen), but criticising the workers, who don't actually make the food, for the content of said food is unfair. Also, I know a great cook who worked at McDonald's for a while. Also:http://media.cpoy.org/62/images/C62-13-NahrD-02.jpg (Warning: not for the faint of heart (or stomach)). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Good job, Nikki, good job. I had beef for diner, and after seeing that image, it still tasted delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Yummy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Hey, I'm not saying it wasn't tasty, I'm just saying it was morally reprehensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Again, I'm glad I ate. While that image doesn't really bother me, it's definitely not something I would frame on my wall. My brother worked at Pizza Hut for a while. He's not the greatest cook, but he's better than what you get from Pizza Hut. Comparing home made foods to fast food is like comparing apples to dust bunnies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Sleeping Dragon Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Morally reprehensible? This happens on a semiregular basis at factory farms and other such mass production centers for cows and pigs. This will, one day, become your steak or sausage. Either you deny it and become a vegetarian(enjoy your pesticides), eat fish (mmmmm, heavy metals), be tormented by a guilt conscience, or accept it, like me. I find that viewing the process through the lens of the result, in this case a delicious steak, does a wonderful job of eliminating life's moral quandaries. Yes, this is my thought process in real life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 It's a cold view, but I've adopted it too. I want to be rich, but I know that for me to become above average, other people have to go down. It's not fair, and communism works great on paper, but life is life. Kill or be killed. I'm going to go rest my brain before I say something I regret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Nikki is a vegetarian. Morally, Nalyd doesn't care about brutality. So he's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Hypnotic Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I eat meat. I could never work at a meat works or hunt an animal. As long as I'm not killing the animal, I do not have a problem. Something with that sounds wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Yeah, no kidding. "As long as I don't have to think about it, it's not wrong." Nalyd has no problem killing living, sentient things. He watches those "horrifically revealing" anti-meat farm videos for fun. Looking at your picture, Nikki, he's wondering if they can't find something to use all that wasted blood for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Swimmin' Salmon Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Originally Posted By: Dantius Morally reprehensible? This happens on a semiregular basis at factory farms and other such mass production centers for cows and pigs. This will, one day, become your steak or sausage. Either you deny it and become a vegetarian(enjoy your pesticides), eat fish (mmmmm, heavy metals), be tormented by a guilt conscience, or accept it, like me. I find that viewing the process through the lens of the result, in this case a delicious steak, does a wonderful job of eliminating life's moral quandaries. Yes, this is my thought process in real life It doesn't bother you that there are legitimate alternatives to factory farmed pig, cow, chicken or sheep, and you discard those options out of hand? Also, nice pic Nikki. It's a good example of why I don't buy any form of factory farmed animal for consumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Xelgion Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Originally Posted By: ☭ Yeah, no kidding. "As long as I don't have to think about it, it's not wrong." Wrong. There is a difference between eating what has been dead and cannot be returned to life, and taking a life to eat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Balladeer Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I grew up with a hunter/fisher as a dad. I almost always stayed up to watch him gut the fish and helped him skin the deer or defeather the goose. Can't say the sight of a bloody corpse bothers me much. They were food when the McDonalds ran out. Can't say I feel at all guilty either. That's the way nature works, and I don't see any other carnivore/omnivore batting an eyelash of guilt for feeding their bodies with the protein of another's. Not that I do anything other than respect a person's choice to be a vegetarian, but the concept that eating meat is morally wrong just seems silly to me. It's the natural cycle of life which has been in place since before man existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Nope. By eating it, you support those who did it. Maybe eating something that died naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 "I couldn't kill an animal, so I shouldn't eat meat," is a bad argument. I can't perform, say, thoracic surgery. I lack the skills, but I also lack the desire to acquire the skills because I don't handle that much gore very well. Does that mean I shouldn't be able to have thoracic surgery if I need it? Not being willing to kill animals is a different matter. If you are eating what is dead, you are, in a small way, responsible for things continuing to die. Depending on what kind of meat, you could be responsible for things living and dying horribly. The solution? Free-range, organic everything! I hope you're really okay with everyone else going down for your wealth to increase to that point. —Alorael, who actually doesn't think living on organic, free-range, and so on food is that unreasonable. It is more expensive, though. Pick that luxury and you're giving up something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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