Seasoned Roamer Orifushi Mafuyu Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Ya know, I never really understood the obsession with teleportation in the series. I mean, fine, you can use it to go places... big whoop, walk long enough in the appropriate direction and you'll get there too. It's just a shortcut, even if a mightily convenient one. On the other hand, it's strange nobody seems to be interested in taking Soul Capture and Simulacrum apart. Together with Return Life, we're looking at possible immortality right there. Hell, even being stuck inside a crystal is better than nothing, and the vahnatai have that already. Sure there's the undead, but I'd rather not lose my humanity kthx, plus all of the more intelligent undead I've seen appear to be universally unredeemable asshats. What is it about being dead and evil? Of the more powerful mages we have, X wastes his life researching a spell to drop anvils on people. Linda keeps mucking around with demonology despite a 100% screwup rate. Brilliant. They make a great case for joining the Anama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Simulacrum only creates temporary clones, and they don't seem to be capable of talking. So, not quite a solution for avoiding death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Play the BoE scenario Quintessence. It makes it clear that life in a soul crystal is not all you might hope for. —Alorael, who also supposes it's not all bad. But it's no walk in the park, and it has the same problem as several kinds of back-up: there's something very uncomfortable about knowing you can guarantee the survival of a copy of yourself without having the currently conscious "you" survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Originally Posted By: Orifushi Mafuyu Of the more powerful mages we have, X wastes his life researching a spell to drop anvils on people. Linda keeps mucking around with demonology despite a 100% screwup rate. Brilliant. They make a great case for joining the Anama. Play Avernum 6 and you will find someone that agrees with you in part at the Tower Colony. I think this is more how Jeff manifests obssessive compulsive disorder with great power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Originally Posted By: Randomizer Play Avernum 6 and you will find someone that agrees with you in part at the Tower Colony. I think this is more how Jeff manifests obssessive compulsive disorder with great power. But A6 won't be out for a while and for pc it will be even further away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk The Knight Who Said Ni Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Well in a way magic DEFINES the Avernum series, maybe more so than it defines Geneforge. Magic is to Avernum as Science is to our World, it makes everything in it work and it makes everything in it make sense, if you are an Avernum NPC. And as far as teleportation goes, Avernum wouldn't be without it. How would you get to Avernum without teleporters, a shovel? And in Avernum 4/5 it is like a car, it revolutionizes the way you travel, and in A5 it makes a good part of the plot possible. It's perfect: pop into the throne room zap, boom done. Your party does the same in Avernum 1. -Ni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Back in the old days, you had to walk around Avernum, no teleporters at all. We had to walk fifteen sections just to get to the goblin fort, sonny! You kids don't know how good you have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk The Knight Who Said Ni Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 YOU KIDS? Ya know what? I ben playin Avernum since Exile was a new thing so I wouldna be lecturin ma boy. We ha' use o' one portal a game and we had to fight a boss when we used it. No stinkin 3-d graphics either. I ha' a case o' eye strain tha' coul' kill a donkey, I did. Ni' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer Orifushi Mafuyu Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share Posted September 21, 2009 That's another gripe I had with the engine change after the original trilogy. Removal of the outdoor areas meant that keeping everything in scale would result in epic treks through the wilderness. But instead of that, we got the mass abuse of teleportation - suddenly every Mycroft, Hrmrr, and Sskath had access to it. Meh. [geezer] Ach, I remember those treks to tha' goblin fort. We did it through miles of snow, fighting off jackals ev'ry step o' the way, we did. *shakes cane* [/geezer] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Originally Posted By: Orifushi Mafuyu That's another gripe I had with the engine change after the original trilogy. Removal of the outdoor areas meant that keeping everything in scale would result in epic treks through the wilderness. But instead of that, we got the mass abuse of teleportation - suddenly every Mycroft, Hrmrr, and Sskath had access to it. Meh. are you ivan illich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 W/o teleportation there wouldn't be quests like Larks and that evil mage's whose name I have already forgot again or there wouldn't be waterfalls etc which prevent going back or Larks etc quests would happen on smaller area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Quote: lecturin ma boy You share an account with your son? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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