Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Personally i think taygen is a bit crazy, but he should get a prize or something because he figured out how to create viruses/bacteria. Think about what the shapers could do with this knowledge. Do you personally think taygen awesomest shaper of the game, or a mad shaper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 He rounds up intelligent beings in prison camps and performs painful and deadly experiments on them in order to find a way to systematically exterminate them. He's basically Magic Hitler. You're not supposed to like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Well, he seems crazier and less hateful than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Maybe so, but it's not as if the parallels are unintentional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I dunno. Given Jeff's reasons for taking demon-summoning spells out of his games, I have a hard time believing he'd intentionally put a Hitler comparison in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 even though he is crazy, he did make a major discovery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Conceivably that makes him a hero, but it doesn't make him less of a villain. Though for what it's worth, in this case creations really are trying to overthrow Shaper civilization, so Taygen has that much excuse. If Ghaldring could make a virus that would exterminate Shapers, he'd do it before you could say Ssss; and if he needed to experiment on a lot of Shapers to do it, that would be so much the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Originally Posted By: Burning Pleasures I dunno. Given Jeff's reasons for taking demon-summoning spells out of his games, I have a hard time believing he'd intentionally put a Hitler comparison in there. There's a not insignificant overlap between parents who would freak out about their kids summoning demons and parents who would be OK with their kids working for Hitler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 Also the only thing that i dont like about taygen's plan is that it doesn't destroy drakonks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer Nightowl2 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Taygen & Ghaldring both nuts. Litalia no better. - Nightowl2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I can't really phrase it better than Thuryl can, so yeah, Taygen is hitler. All we really need are the creations to wear round hats on their heads. The Last Archon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 of course he is hitler, but the point is he is obviously extremely smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer shaper_medej Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I played through his story-line it was really boring the only interesting part was when you were defending the purity agent and even that wasn't that interesting i like smashing his labs up much much more its really fun to kill the disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Jeff hasn't said outright that Taygen is a Hitler stand-in, but he has mentioned that he deliberately made one faction absolutely, inarguably, and distastefully evil. Taygen fits the bill perfectly. Taygen is indeed clearly a gifted, or at least driven, researcher, but it's not clear that he is uniquely talented except in his willingness to torture and murder in order to gather data. Compare his work to Nazi medical research and the same ethical issues should apply, especially if Astoria's moderates or the rebels come out on top. Is it okay to use such tainted data? Can it even be trusted? —Alorael, who is going to go with "Taygen is a dangerous lunatic" in the end. His brilliance is arguable; just because he did something first doesn't mean he did something no one else could do. It's quite clear, though, that he did something no one with a shred of moral scruples would do. He's not a great scientist, he's a rabid lunatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Gondor2222 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Originally Posted By: Shaper Spddin but he should get a prize or something because he figured out how to create viruses/bacteria. If you're trying to say he INVENTED viruses/bacteria, then read the following paragraph. If you weren't trying to say that, please disregard the following paragraph. Actually, you're giving him a bit too much credit there for inventing viruses/bacteria. In the ending with Taygen, if you've used a lot of canisters, it says the Purity Agent gives the PC symptons like influenza. It even mentions influenza by name. So, there were viruses and-we can assume-bacteria before Taygen created the Purity Agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I was always under the impression that the Purity Agent was meant to act as a cancer, not a bacteria. The Last Archon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 One way or another, Taygen engineers the first artificial disease in the Geneforge universe, at least as far as we know. —Alorael, who has decided it fails the critical litmus test: would you put creation of a plague specifically designed for genocidal purposes on your resumé? Didn't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I'm not sure if Taygen was the first shaper to make a disease/bacteria. I seem to remember in some of the past games, people saying that shaping needed to be restrained because otherwise people who were ill-informed or crazy making a disease. Also this is why I support the Trakovite ideals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 Originally Posted By: Alorael One way or another, Taygen engineers the first artificial disease in the Geneforge universe, at least as far as we know. In G3, someone is sick with a disease known as Burrowing Mold. It was accidentally created by the Shapers. Taygen is possibly the first to intentionally create a disease, though. (And if he lives at the end of the game, then he's probably the first to shape a disease and survive, given that the creator of Burrowing Mold was promptly executed.) Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 Originally Posted By: Dikiyoba In G3, someone is sick with a disease known as Burrowing Mold. It was accidentally created by the Shapers. Taygen is possibly the first to intentionally create a disease, though. The first since before G1, anyway. The proto-Shapers on Sucia created diseases all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 Dikiyoba doesn't recall them being intentionally created, though. The proto-Shapers did stuff pretty much entirely at random. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted April 19, 2009 Author Share Posted April 19, 2009 Im not saying he invented it gondor, i said he was the first to be able to regulate what he is doing. Other desieses like burrowing mold were fungi. Also the others were created accidently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 I'd be more impressed if he accomplished something other than targeted, weaponized disease. The targeting is useful, at least. The lethal part? Really not good Shaper PR. —Alorael, who can see all kinds of useful potential for tamed diseases. Of course, he also has a real, non-magical understanding of genetics, viruses, and how to use the latter as vectors to tweak the former. The Shapes are close, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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