Unflappable Drayk ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 is there a way to migrate through all the factions, getting all you want and then moving on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 No. Factions will understandably become leery if you start readily jumping ship. I believe you can betray one faction and join another successfully as long as you've gone from rebel-leaning to Shaper-leaning or vice versa. If you drop that faction too, you've successfully made everyone lose faith in you and get treated to a special ending in which everyone can put aside their differences long enough to hunt you down for being a backstabbing threat to all parties. —Alorael, who supposes that makes enough sense. It's not as though these are especially tolerant people you're working with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I'm fairly sure that's not the case. I'm fairly sure you can, for example, join Astoria, then leave her to join Alwan. Somebody who's played through the whole game can confirm his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Certain factions can be left to join certain other factions. Anyone to Ghaldring should work if you have the right reputation and didn't cower in Gazaki-Uss. Alwan to Taygen is easy. Ghaldring to Astoria works too. I'm not sure about the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 The conditions listed in the scripts mostly seem to rely on reputation/leadership (and not much reputation is required if you have moderate leadership skill, so this is not a relevant factor) and on the status of certain quests. I know there are a few like the shredbugs that can be an obstacle for certain faction switches, but in most cases faction switches should be possible, even if it is possible to mess up your chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Unstable Platapi Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 So you can't go freely to all the factions? That's too bad. This thread gives me fond memory's of the time in G2 when I joined the Awakened, then joined the Barzites, and then killed everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Barzhal Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I migrated through all factions except Taygen. I started off in Alwan's faction to get the skill training and high level spells. I stayed until I got the purity agent quest, I did nothing in the secret laboratory other than kill everybody. I saved up all the reputation encounters I could throughout the game and then went and offered rebel opinions and did rebellious things. I then joined the Trakovites, Astoria, then Ghaldring to reap as many benefits I could. It worked quite well. Nobody in Terestia trusts me now, but that's life. Also, what is really funny is that even with a rebellious reputation you can still get training from Shaper Marzan, Sage Pavyl, and Guardian Kulish if you're still in Alwan's faction. You can get shaper training and rebel quests at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 You don't get the advanced training unless you swear to join a faction. It doesn't make that much difference with canisters to replace training except for getting certain higher versions of creations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 i joined the trakovites to get training and did their jobs up to the shredbugs quest which is quite frankly really wrong and now i am betraying them every chance i get will this stop me from joining anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Barzhal Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Originally Posted By: Randomizer You don't get the advanced training unless you swear to join a faction. It doesn't make that much difference with canisters to replace training except for getting certain higher versions of creations. Most training yes, I agree. Alwan's faction exclusively has shaping skill point training though. In addition the top spells are available fairly early and they are cheap. For a servile I found between this training and the girdle of victory, shaper robe, black pearl talisman, and tribal fetish I was able to reach level 8 to 9 in all shaping skills without ever investing a single skill point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Originally Posted By: lifeguardernie i joined the trakovites to get training and did their jobs up to the shredbugs quest which is quite frankly really wrong and now i am betraying them every chance i get will this stop me from joining anyone else? If you haven't done the shredbug quest yet, I don't think you'll be cut off from any of the other factions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora Markal Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 is it as bad as in gene4 were if yuo betray both you almost always get killed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 There are autokill nodes throughout the game where if you betray the Shapers and Rebels in certain ways, then they unite to eliminate you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 It takes a special kind of wilful incompetence to anger five factions at once, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Actually if you mistarget one on your side because the mouse slips as you click it's quite easy. That's how I found out what happens when you target a friendly at the start of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Gnaeus Pompeius Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Originally Posted By: Thuryl It takes a special kind of wilful incompetence to anger five factions at once, though. You mean to say that you've never wanted to find out what happens when you rub everyone the wrong way? It is wilful, but it isn't incompetence; just curiosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Wilful on the player's part, incompetence on the character's part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Dreadful Realm of Dynasty Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Originally Posted By: Randomizer There are autokill nodes throughout the game where if you betray the Shapers and Rebels in certain ways, then they unite to eliminate you. Oh? What kinda parts? I'm willing to try and see what happens. Even if I die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 My favorite autokill is in I think it's thistlewood, where the bandits allow you to surrender. Also, if you kill or even attack any faction leader, Ghaldring for sure, there are autokill nodes unless you have a specific quest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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