Your fav game characters, races or enemies

[Emz]

Just another general discussion! These sort of things aren't annoying are they?

 

It can be anything in the game really.. I just really like the Nephilim because their graphics so cute. The one with the bow always use to make me think of my cat lol

[Eclipse]

I thought that the vahnatai were pretty cool until Exile 3

 

But the demons of exile 2 were the coolest

 

edit: Garzahd was an interesting enemy

[Callie]

I like vahnatai, as well as Ernest in E3.

[Emz]

The Vahnatai are great. I always remember the time I thought I was a hard nut by starting a fight with them in their temple.

[Celtic Minstrel]

Vahnatai (Bon-Ihrno in particular I guess)

 

Erika maybe.

 

...that's all for now.

[Paroxysm]

Solberg's cat, Cheeseball. I loveses him.

[Feo Takahari]

Do goblins count if I didn't really begin to be fond of them until A4? The fondness extends to earlier games upon replaying--they're so determined to make a living through banditry, but so easily squashed.

[Unrulyevil5]

I like enemy magic users because its fun to get into spell battles and summon powerful creatures that can destroy them in an instant and I was also fond of basilisk because of there petrification ability and I also liked rakashasi because of the way they absorbed spells and used it as an advantage over their enemies which could obliterate them and get turned into dusty remains and then they could just go over there and stamp the dust into the ground where it'll be forever buried deep within

[Sss-Chah]

i used to like yong-mi. that changed in avernum 4.

[Rowen]

Erika is the best ever. She would have won if Rentard wasn't a cheap fighter.

[Cryomancer]

I'm off and on with Erika. I'm never quite sure if she's admirable or loathsome.

 

Not a big fan of the Vahnatai themselves...I like their culture though. So weird and alien and mysterious.

 

I think my favorite character would have to be either Solberg or the royal high priestess in E2 (the one in the castle who willingly defected from the Empire...can't remember her name). Solberg's superpowerful and a great mindduelist, but he's friendly and down to earth. A little cowardly perhaps. I mean I'm pretty sure he could have squashed the demons around his tower in E2. And if he'd only confronted Linda in the first place, instead of running away in fear, maybe the whole demon-summoning thing wouldn't have been a problem.

 

Garzahd's definitely my favorite enemy. Out of all the exile evil masterminds, he has the most presence in the story, and the most personality, I think. And it's cool that he has personal connections with The Five and actually has legitimate reasons for wanting them dead.

[Thaluikhain]

I like the chitrachs...praying mantis like things are overlooked in favour of old fashioned giant spiders and whatnot. Giant roaches shouldn't be scary at all, but a mantis is a predator, with claws covered in hooklike serrations and all.

 

Nephils and sliths...I don't like how they don't wear clothes. Not me being a prude, there's no reason why they'd have a nudity taboo...but they feel the cold, don't they? Actually, sliths really do, so they should rug up. Not to mention they'd want somewhere to attach pouches and scabbards to.

[Celtic Minstrel]

Since when do nephil and sliths not wear clothes?

 

 

I thought the chitraches looked like crickets myself... then again, I didn't really look closely at them.

[Alorael at Large]

A few slith and nephil character portraits have clothes, but how much clothing do they need? Nephils have fur, and sliths are either cold-blooded or so weakly warm-blooded that clothing probably doesn't help much. They probably do wear belts for equipment, but fur and scales are both more resistant to chafing than puny human skin.

 

—Alorael, who thinks sliths may generally not wear clothes because they come from a cave. Caves are notable for the stability of their temperatures. Don't like the weather? Find a new cave.

[Thaluikhain]

Originally Posted By: Lachesicanics

sliths are either cold-blooded or so weakly warm-blooded that clothing probably doesn't help much.

I suppose so.

Originally Posted By: Lachesicanics

They probably do wear belts for equipment, but fur and scales are both more resistant to chafing than puny human skin.

Ok, then, but why not armour? That's useful for everyone...you have sliths and nephils with very different armour ratings, but still running round more or less naked.

Originally Posted By: Lachesicanics

—Alorael, who thinks sliths may generally not wear clothes because they come from a cave. Caves are notable for the stability of their temperatures. Don't like the weather? Find a new cave.

Exiles and Vahnatai and cave giants wear clothes, despite being in caves.

[Lilith]

Sliths wear the armour under their scales.

[Alorael at Large]

Realistically, the races are either idiots or they're in armor. Sliths may not have invented the stuff (hey, it's possible), but after encountering it on humans they'd probably pick up the idea. Humanoids in armor all look the same, though, so the sprites can't do that. Actually, this excuse could go for the clothes, too. Hm.

 

Exiles, at least, wear clothes because the Empire has weather and, presumably modesty taboos. Vahnatai wear clothes because they are warm blooded, they may also have taboos, and vahnatai cloaks are cool.

 

—Alorael, who has gotten a beautiful idea from Thuryl. The sliths wear "leather" armor. Specifically, they wear armor made from slith hide. It's always camouflaged!

[Thaluikhain]

Originally Posted By: McHugo's

Humanoids in armor all look the same, though, so the sprites can't do that. Actually, this excuse could go for the clothes, too.

Sorry, you've lost me there.

Originally Posted By: McHugo's

—Alorael, who has gotten a beautiful idea from Thuryl. The sliths wear "leather" armor. Specifically, they wear armor made from slith hide. It's always camouflaged!

Hmmm...do slith shed their skin? Cause then they could make armour out of their own hide, and avoid issues about sliths having different coloured scales.

[Alorael at Large]

The sprites for the games are limited. A humanoid figure in armor looks like a suit of armor and makes it hard to tell a slith from a human from a nephil, so the sprites understandably tend to emphasize naked and recognizable non-humans. They may be wearing armor that just doesn't get shown.

 

Most lizards moult, but they tend to do it piecemeal and leave fragmented bits of scales rather than the intact carapaces or inverted skins left by insects and snakes. Besides, I don't think slith scales are supposed to be quite thick enough to constitute armor, though of course if you attach enough bits and layer them enough you eventually get slith-hide padded armor.

 

—Alorael, who also notes that many species consume their shed leftovers in order to retrieve the nutrients. Do sliths? Adventuring with a buddy who sometimes peels of his skin and eats it could be uncomfortable at first.

[Thaluikhain]

Originally Posted By: McHugo's

The sprites for the games are limited. A humanoid figure in armor looks like a suit of armor and makes it hard to tell a slith from a human from a nephil, so the sprites understandably tend to emphasize naked and recognizable non-humans. They may be wearing armor that just doesn't get shown.

I don't agree with that. A full suit of armour, perhaps, but a partially armoured figure, with limbs left exposed (especially the head...tail too) can still be recognisable. A few of the PC graphics are armoured, but it remains obvious that they are humans, and you can easily distinguish skin colour as well. Troglos wear clothes and/or armour, so do vahnatai and rakshahs and liches and zombies, you can still see what they are meant to be.

I haven't had much luck with armoured/clothes sliths, but it's lots of fun creating (partially) armed or clothed nephil graphics.

[Dikiyoba]

Most of the leather in Avernum comes from giant lizards anyway. Maybe the sliths have just bred their giant lizards to have scales in the same shape and color as slith scales.

 

Dikiyoba.

[Thaluikhain]

That make sense, I suppose...you don't tend to see sliths with cave cows, do you? I guess the places fit for sliths would be more fit for lizards than cows or something.

[Sss-Chah]

the caves aren't really fit for cows anyway, which is why cave cows are always described as sickly

[Slawbug]

Cave cows were surface cows sent down with the Exiles, at some point, and bred in the caves. So the Sliths were never really exposed to cows.

[Celtic Minstrel]

Originally Posted By: Thaluikhain

Troglos wear clothes and/or armour, so do vahnatai and rakshahs and liches and zombies, you can still see what they are meant to be.

Vahnatai don't wear armour! Clothes, yes, but not armour.

Some of the slith/nephil PC graphics are clearly clothed.

[The Almighty Doer of Stuff]

Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel

Some of the slith/nephil PC graphics are clearly clothed.

Really? Which ones? The closest I can see is a quiver strap on the black and white nephil archer, and that hardly counts as clothes.

[Sss-Chah]

off topic: i never really understood why dungeons of the unforgiven had that rainbow garbage can monster. thanks for reminding me of the game, though. maybe i'll get around to downloading it sometime.

[Celtic Minstrel]

I was mainly thinking of the black nephil. At least, it looks clothed to me.

[Sss-Chah]

i decided after replaying avernum 4 (yes, not in the original exile trilogy, i know) that i like nephils. they seem to be pretty good with strategy in general. i mean, they had that fortress in one of the first two games (i think 1, maybe?) with that oil trap and they attacked from an open corner of the starting fort in e/a2. then, there were a few parts in a4 where they really showed their strategic minds. there was even this one part where they had a thin bridge guarded by both nephilim and i think submission fungus.

[Celtic Minstrel]

There was a nephil fortress in Exile 1, yes. There was also one in Exile 2.

[Sss-Chah]

yeah, but if i remember correctly, it became an undead fortress sometime between 1 and 2

[Celtic Minstrel]

Yes, the nephil fortress from E1 was taken over by undead in E2, but there was another nephil fortress in E2. It's the introductory quest – I don't see how you could've forgotten about it!

[Slawbug]

Actually, there were numerous nephil fortresses in both games. At least 2 in X2 off the top of my head, and at least 2 or 3 in X1.

[Celtic Minstrel]

But only one in the demo portion of each.

[The Mystic]

I seem to remember two available in the X1 demo: one west of Formello (the Nephil Castle), and one in the northern wall of the Eastern Gallery (mentioned on a note in the Nephil Castle as the "new" fort).

[Sss-Chah]

yeah, i was talking about the nephil castle

[Celtic Minstrel]

Well, I never finished the demo portion of Exile 1, so I probably missed a lot.

[The Mystic]

If I were a gambler, I'd bet some serious money that you probably missed a whole bunch; the E1 demo covers almost the entire eastern half of the game.

[Celtic Minstrel]

Yeah... in E2 and E3, I completed the demo portion, but not E1.

 

I had planned to play E1 with a higher-than-level-1 party once I registered, but it hasn't happened yet.

[Arch-Mage Solberg]

In Exile 1: Escape From the Pit, there are three Nephil areas in the demo: 1. Nephilim Castle west of Formello 2. Nehilim Fort north of Cotra 3. Unfinished Fort north of Fort Duvno. The Unfinished Fort doesn't really qualify as such really, but it is mentioned as a nephil fort and has a nephil chieftain.

 

Also the demo covers nearly half of the land area of the game, the most of any other spiderweb game!

 

In Exile 2: Crystal Souls, you have the Nephil Castle just to the west of Fort Ganrick. Although you later come across concentrations of Nephilim, there is no real fort for them.

 

My favorite character is 'gasp' Archmage Solberg. Garzahd/Empire made formidable opponents.