Elucifur

Ah I see so it's pretty much luck then.

That is a bit strange that they can't gain them. Also I have a question about the spell "haste" is it based on luck or soemthing for the second attact in a turn?

Ah alright.

I never muched like the drakon/ur-drakon to costly and they dont seem worth it really.

And why can't the rebels get it?

Ah cool atleast im close to one already.

Also when can I make cryodrayks? Another trainer or a canister?

Ah him I forgot where I killed him and true magic damage has always been a problem for them I'll upgrade them or add some higher tier creations into the pack.

Btw when do I get my first drayk at?

Well my other playthroughs with pure battle/magic normaly around 10 points into fire/battle/magic shaping tends to give enough of a boost they hold their own fairly well and around 10-15 points into int gives me enough essence to have a pack of creations to do some damage.

Also about the kyshakks I never used them much didnt care much for their attacks, only made one to absorb most of the damage back in G4 while the drayks/cryodrayks did most of the damage.

Hmm well every geneforge game I've played I normaly put 10 points into fire shaping for first playthrough because noramly you get about 3 fryoa points before long and can get a cryoa and have them in you're party early on which helps in the long run at times and true they are going to have problems against late in the game but thats when they get reabsorbed and replaced with drayks/cryodrayks maybe a drakon/ur-drakon if i have enough for them.

Hmm sounds fun and challangeing, but I think I might stick with the fryoa/cryoa of drayk/cryodrak pack untill while testing each of the other creations and see how they pair up with others.

Thanks for some advice.

Hmm I see and how does each par up later in the game when going only fire/battle/magic creations only? Which has the most difficulty later on? Against the higher tier creations and against either the shaper/rebels forces?

They are? And I plan to play through torment with a pack of fire creations mainy fryoas/roamers untill I get some 3rd/4th tier creations to see how they last if they dont last long ill add some points into battle and magic shaping for support creations.

I think I might be able to keep them alive before runing into the unbound then after that they might start dying off.

Until I can get a drayk or cryodrayk but yeah I do keep them around until around the end. They are pretty handy when you have a pack of them mixed with fryoas and cryoas and some drayks/cryodrayks added in them.

As for why, they do have a nice damage output for fire/ice along with some melee damage.

I have played the others and didnt get to play this one yet and I was wondering would the fire creations hold their own throughout the game or would they need backup from the battle/magic creations? I mainly stick with the fryoa in the others and add a cryoa when I am able to, would I be able to use the same play style with fire creations only or need to use others?