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    If the mods re-enable image posting, I'll post in only pictures for a month.
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    Originally Posted By: Ephesos Originally Posted By: Monroe Osiris was a zombie. It's funny because you can tell just by looking at a picture of him. ...I doubt that without prior knowledge of Osiris and his story, all respondents would immediately classify an artist's rendering of him as a zombie. And when you say "a picture of Osiris", that assumes there is one representation. Honestly, that was kind of a joke. It's on par with saying Jesus was a zombie, right? It was just extra funny because he is usually (always?) portrayed with green zombie skin. It's just funny. Also, just so you know, starting a sentence with an ellipse like you quite often do comes off as a bit condescending. You might not mean it, maybe it's just clumsy language again, but that's just the vibe I get from it.
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    Originally Posted By: Khoth I need to stop skimming people's posts, having my eyes pick out something like "our name would be pronounced Human-Zombie, and it was entirely common in ancient cultures" and thinking "hang on, what ancient culture had zombies?" Osiris was a zombie. It's funny because you can tell just by looking at a picture of him.
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    Aside from the personal opinion that having a name made of pictograms might be cool, everything in that "screed" was true. I apologize that I was unable to find anything that had any meaning for you, personally. That's the second time now that you've agreed with with something I've said but had to add in an extra comment that made it clear that you don't approve of me. Thanks, man.
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    Sure, whichever one makes more sense. It's been a while since my one and only psych class, and Wikipedia articles on the two subjects are a bit sparse, so I'll just take your word for it.
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    Originally Posted By: The Ratt O[-< O[-< One of the above is a human and one of the above is a zombie. Together they spell my name. How do you pronounce my name? There is why pictograms don't work. In the end you'll always need something to represent different sounds, and pictures of sound don't work. Oh, and to address some of the questions here. First, you would need a different picture for a zombie, but with pictures, it's way easier for you to invent a new one to mean what you intend, as opposed to inventing a new word, which would require consensus. Your name would be pronounced Human-Zombie, and it was entirely common in ancient cultures for names to be existing words as opposed to proper nouns with no alternate meanings. Instead of names like James and Matthew, people had names like "child of God" or "he who is pious," both of which have evolved into a variety of modern names you might recognize. Or, more recently, Native Americans with names like Sitting Bull, which could easily be represented with pictures. How awesome would it be to choose a few meaningful pictures to be your name as opposed to a meaningless letter combination? You might circle it to show that it is a proper name like the Egyptians did to show that it refers to a specific person, rather than an actual sitting bull. Pictograms do work, they just weren't efficient or convenient in ancient times.
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    Originally Posted By: upon mars 2-True, but it does use some interesting memes, the butcher for example is akin to the public image of an ogre, it's great clever similar to great Hercules' club, spell guardian, is close to the russian Zmey, also keeper of treasures... Wow, not comparisons I would have drawn, and I doubt that Blizzard drew inspiration from any of those specific things either. Though it certainly speaks to the power of collective consciousness and the power of archetypes that you made those connections. One interesting thing about Diabo I is its lack of reference to other Blizzard games, probably since it was one of their earliest. Though I suspect Diablo 3 will contain an abundance of references to all three of their gaming worlds, sort of the developers way of stroking their own egos, I suppose. I just hope they don't completely recycle an old plot like they did with Arthas/Kerrigan. Though on second thought, it might be cool if they stole Warcraft 3's plot and had humans and demons (as opposed to humans and orcs) ally together to defeat an even greater threat to the world, like Heaven or something. That would be epic.
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    Yeah, I would still argue that pictures are more absolute than words. A picture may have more than one meaning, but it means all the things that are in it. If it's a photograph, everything in it is true (absolute). Words can mean many things, and convey things you didn't mean to convey at all. Miscommunication is common enough, right?
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    I'd still go with the image of the house, since the phrase "This is my house." has absolutely no meaning whatsoever without an attached image. At least with the picture, you had a chance at guessing the meaning. Without an image, what is one to think? These words are your house? Maybe if it was written on your house, but then you could have just put up a picture of yourself and it would have been just as effective, if not more so, as a name means little without a face. And no, I usually don't need to accompany images I send with text. If it needed to be explained, it probably wasn't worth photographing.
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    Yeah, letters evolved out of a desire to draw pictures faster and more efficiently, right? Edit: Totally. The written word is still clumsy. Pictures are a purer form of communication and notation.
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    That actually exactly why I used the word image, as opposed to symbol. Letters are symbols, with rules. They can be very vague, and must increase in complexity if they want to be more specific. An image is more absolute, and can get across much more detail without the room for interpretation words have these days. We had to develop language and words because mass producing images in early civilization was tiresome, expensive, and very difficult, what with carving them into stone and all. But we live in the future now. How awesome is it that we can send a picture or video we took with our phone instead of writing a letter about the event to a friend? It's the future, baby. Words are obsolete. Edit: By the way, the proper symbol for zombie is: ≈o[-< See, I even drew a picture of a scent. Awesome, right? Edit again: Aw man, no approximately-equal-to symbol on UBB. Well then, a single stink line: ~o[-<
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    Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel To convey the number 6, for example, you could show them 6 apples. We totally agree here. My original point was that images are better than language, and numbers are indeed a language. I got a bit off track with my last sentence in your quote, both otherwise, I'm glad we agree.
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    Originally Posted By: Niemand Originally Posted By: Student of Trinity If we ever encounter aliens, our pictures and pictograms may not go very far. Even should such aliens be as reliant on sight as are we, just the fact that they might do so with different wavelengths could really get in the way of their perception of a lot of our pictorial data, to say nothing of interpreting that data. Any alien unable to process pictures the same way we do would also have a difficult a time reading our language, you know. I guess language would be more useful if they could only receive audio information, which would be strange, but even then I'd probably prefer to have a mathematician with me when I first met them as opposed to a linguist. Even then, he would have to be extra clever, as they would undoubtedly have different symbols/pictures to represent numbers than we do. Then there are the aliens who rely mostly on telepathy. Do you see words in your head when you think of something, or images?
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    Come on now, no need to spam up the thread with meaningless contradictions. Do you have a point to make?
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    If my point was that language is clumsy, and you can't figure out what I'm trying to say even though it is all there in plain English, then it is not really ironic at all, right? It's the opposite of ironic.
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    I feel like your attempt to make a point by using semantics proves my earlier point that language is clumsy quite neatly. I got what Dantius was saying, and I got what Dikiyoba was saying. Who needs rules on how to win an argument to decide which one is more appealing? Well, besides you. *High-Fives Dantius*
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    Originally Posted By: Dantius This can be handwaved aside with ease by simply claiming that that's not true art. Too easy. I would have tackled it differently. I'd say one can get meaning from Mori's art without any context, and it may even be the meaning he intended. Even if I was way off on the meaning I got from his art, I'd still be way closer than if I tried to understand a tablet with cuneiform on it. As for your picture, it's great. While you might be able to convey emotions from that event by writing about them, it's just not the same.
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    What makes you think that? Examples?
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    I never said spoken word was any better. You can look at a painting or sculpture from anywhere of anytime in the world and possibly draw meaning from it. But read a Japanese haiku or the Koran, even translated into your native language, and most of the meaning is simply lost. Images need no translation. What's it like living in a tower, Dikiyoba?
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    Claiming godhood for humans is treading on dangerous ground. I like Student of Trinity's analogy. If I understand it right, it's basically like saying even the greatest of human achievements pales in comparison to just about anything that already existed in nature. Speaking of nature, why is Ephesos's avatar strangling that poor tree? Does he hate nature or something?
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