Abhishek

Leisure time.(You cant study 24 hour after all) So I sit designed party. And you will see that despite saying always about personal strategies i have make a lot of change seeing the post of all who were there to help me. At least party is needed be4 you start. So i think this is not a useless post. 1:slith soldier.(pole) trait:1elite warrior. 2:cant decide. 2:nephil thrown(custom) trait:nimble finger sharp shooter 3:nephil/human (feeling confused.) priest custom pure spirit good constitution(not satisfied though) Nephil mage: custom divinely touched natural mage this start the nasty fight.I am feeling like an adventurer, may be i die in halfway or may be i made it, may be this topic linked to strategy central or may be it become a useless thread. I dont know the future but i promise that if i die i will never lie. If you want to see experiment see it in my 2nd char for more you will have to wait till i dont reach muck to see that do i have point to do so. There is lot to reply on my party building and i am waiting for it if you dont know what to say then just tell about those things which i leaved blank.

No randomizer I never posted that i want my infinite summon back.I always said that cap must be variable between 2 to 6 thats all. I was annoyed that foes can summon infinite and i cant you are forced to assume that they can control them better than you so i thought that beastmaster trait with different definition will have real meaning(and it will be more practical,if i am a beastmaster than why not they) .Personally I never support infinite summon

Since you asked:if god is not cheating me then i am sure about whatever i write for heartstriker About acid arrows and submission arrows:i dont know about others but when i complete my game no matter which part i have a HUGE bunch of scrolls and wands remaining so i will use it this time to make up for arrows bonus and note that it also cost lesser AP.

Your post forced me to reply. The reason was simple.I understand what you mean by "bows are powerful by the end game" its heartstriker of course which you actually think for. But now i am feeling a bit confused by your post reason:actually the damage calculation i know so far says that heartstriker:8-32 means:d4 damage.8 and 32 just stand for more probability of hitting.May be i am wrong because i never knock my head much for damaging and what i know was working and if i am right then razordisc and fine razordisc both gives d5 just with different chance of hitting(which is not trouble for dedicated character).So how is bow more powerful. And you say you hate keep tracking...ok but the crazy work i am trying will need such extra effort. Kindly tell me that am i wrong about damage calculation? And warrior priest? In the beginning i will give him just pole and nothing else.He will be a great warrior but with low riposte skill.After about 4 point in riposte i will not invest there further and i will see a priest in him only when i reach thalon of the 10 eyes and then invest some saved skill points but divine fire...I do not meant that you will definitely see it.I mean that it is the last skill he will ever unlock and in actual i will stop before that,may be at major heal.What i write was a case of overflow of skill point.

I started this thread to see what other says about this idea. Thank god that top posters of forum liked this idea.So now i think that this topic has nothing of much discussion and soon it will disappear from front page but before this happens why dont you guys mail Jeff telling about this idea.May be such a annoying cap will be no more in a6 i can mail myself but i think that the effect of a mail by me and one by any three of you will be different.

Thats ends it ok i will back at forums on 27 after exams with telling what i choosed and what i dont. Hope to see a lot of reply till then. And truly speaking your post doubled my eagerness to start i think you were right about divinely touched. One last thing:what you think about creating an archer who knows thrown and not bows assume that i will steal nephil warblade to get +4 to strength so that he can carry it. I will come just to see answer of this if u think that encumbrance and less availability are the only problem then dont worry i have already tried it for mage and i was succesful but if you have to say anything else for thrown you are welcome. Also for my experiment i will say that i will not do changes which can be said as plain foolishness just slight changes from regular party. See you later .

I said for divine fire because in dorikas fort everyone knows riposte so i get annoyed when they ripostes the attack and they can parry smite.I know he will have about 150 spell points but by that time you know a lot of first aid.That is the only reason if you have better option tell of it. I know i am free to do whatever i want but i want to see what other thinks. The safest party..... No need to tell about it.I already know about it after all i am going to except a huge challenge so it is self explaining that i can play well and complete the game but this time fight is a bit different and thats why i would like to do something different with my party too.

But see my case thuryl i do the same what you do but this time i need to avoid total party killing so i need to have a such character who use all of them alone. And yes i am planning for the same priest which you like.A warrior who will have some points in priest,may be to unlock divine fire by the end game

And what will u say about priest warrior hybrid. Actually i want to give all my knowledge potions to one character but i cant decide to whom?

I think that emerland chestguard was the best armor of the game. Am i right? And randomizer u posted it somewhere else that a sword in fc test removes 100% fatigue no it just removes 75% and even that doesnt come in practical. Still best sword for those who is not melee warrior and want to use battle discipline

But here we were talking about mage warrior hybrid what you think about it thuryl? Beware:when i started this topic i assumed that it will be inviting only those player who have played game at least once. If you have not played it once then please dont read any more i will write a lot of spoiler. I think it is necessary for such topic. about divinely touched:ok i asked for reasons and now i have changed my mind. I will take it.Thanks for details. Gladwell:once again i will not join him melchonian wish is more important for me as his boons are permanent though it come in late game but i just cant take orders from gladwell. Luck:do it is still helpful and can save me at 0 HP? If yes than i will try to have a char who will have 15 points in luck by the end game. Ending:i will stay loyal. These are plans not decision,before 27 if you think that i am wrong please tell me. Actually i have to exam on 26 so i can play after that only

Yes a GREAT Idea i remember how i was feeling when my wraith killed black horror and i gained no xp for such a tough monster. Jeff shud really remove this xp stealing. It will be better if he divide the xp by the no of friendly npcs or summoned creature instead of taking entire xp

I dont know what to write. If you say that tormet is much more difficult then i know it. Hey,i have the game,u know,why i have this idea in my mind? Being old to avernum series and being player who always play in tormet i tried it a lot even in my first playthrough though you can guess what happen later but yes,i know the exact pain of tormet. If you say about combat mechanics then i only say that my warrior by the end game was usually landing a lethal blow hitting upto 250 damage with a lot of 2nd swings.150 damage by fireblast which was very helpful(all with battle frenzy). However my dedicated mage highest was 482 damage with mighty blow and arcane blow. I think thats enough to do all the fights. And tool use.Eh,thats not my fault he was matt pasek who suggested this. And i always thought that i am facing some difficulty in choosing traits.So,i think about myself that i know combat mechanics very good but yes i except that i have problem in traits. And hey,i never claimed to be the best! Advice.Thats why i am here,actually i make my last posts at 3am in india and i was eager to sleep thats why i except that i make some statements which i dont like myself.But,i hope that you wont mind it. I easy question:where can i find the ogre infestetion,i missed it.Answer this and resume on traits.

Thanks. I see what a burning topic its going on. 20 post within 6 hours.Really this topic is getting the same amount of response which i dreamed for. Though i completed hard without dying but still will you guys share your end game party stats with comments

I was not talking about use ability myself i was talking about summoning cap only though i rarely summon but still i thought that it could be good idea if jeff make that trait a bit cheaper.

It seems a joke but i dont died at all so i think i have better experience of running away :-) so adrenaline rush is too much helpful for running away

Uh i was saying about the amount of armor which you can wear before you get encumbered to cast a mage spell.Bcoz wearing equipments lets you decide which resistance you actually want. I choosed good const also after calculation.And i feel that it was very cheap. +3 to hardiness apparently and then more +2% armor and +1% to poision and acid(excludin the bonus from apparent hardiness).Good seeing its xp penalty.

Good const and nimble finger for archer. Actually i really need help for that. I choosed gc bcoz archer died too quickly but if someone is sure that sharpshooter is better then i will definitely try it. Thanks for pointing it out

And armor? Firstly he is a warrior and then a mage. So armor is more important. Which divinely touched do not gives. And i have not started the game just asking for suggestions before i do so. If you can still prove yourself and others say the same then i will definitely go 4 it. Tell me do you take divinely touched yourself? I have already posted some fights above if you have any idea help me in that too.

No not so crazy.Think again it gives 20%to armor i dont need it why Bcoz 1:he is a warrior mage and you cant have more than 2 traits 2:i dont want arcane blow from him.Just fireblast so he is basically a warrior. 3:17 points of parry is enough to neglect 20%armor. 4:he is a mage and thus has great distant attack so what will i do with sharpshooter instead magic is better choice for distant attack. 5:to use any trait you need to change level and i thought that he wont became able to change so many level that i can overcome xp penalty

Yes i know the normal play.I know the safest party.And thats y i said that it was an experiment which worked. Because: you cant die. So you need a person on whom you can believe that yes he has the most chance of survival so what you will do?You will try to make him strongest among all 4 obviously giving him all WCrystal and K.Potion.And i think that for this mage and warrior hybrid is the best option.I am using mobile for net and my pc is off so i am giving his stats in azure gallery by my memory b4 lake of trials,soultaker pit,killing ghaakh this is the stat which i clearly remember. Note:i dont cheated str:10(+4 ceremonial leggings i dont remember other bonus of leggings ) end:7(+2 girdle of life) dex(7 may be other bonus) int 4 pole 12 melee 6 bows:4(3 dixon) thrown:3(khora vyss+dixon) qs:8(+1 lark) mage 9(trait bonus+talisman from howling depths+trained) priest0 spellcraft 5(3shankar+1lark) hardiness 4 defense 6 tu 0 luck:0 qs:1 blademaster:9 parry:14 magery:3 me:4 resist:4 pathfinder:3 anatomy:5 riposte:1(lark) lethal blow:4 if i slip anything then forgive me i write it with my memory and except ceremonial leg. Everything is correct

Make it more clear randomizer. Last time i was to much sacred from haakai and i never tried to kill his imps do the souls give any boon? What it does? Also why to stay in south in final trial when demon appears toward north? Do you ever tried it yourself? I will start this game on 27 april before that i will just keep thinking about strategies and any possibly tough fight

Yes but i have strategies in my mind. I played with a bit different party. Slith:elite warrior,natural mage.(giving him all wisdom crystal and knowledge potions,) Nephil archer:good const.,nimble finger. Priest.(simple priest wid pure spirit.) Nephil mage(natural mage) and in this way it was not so easy you know but it was not impossible too. I have done it in hard. My mage slith was incredible and experiment really worked i tried to make him too much powerful so that he can run away to town. And there are many tough battle where you can harm your foe, run to town and resume the battle. And in late game hide your priest in corner and cast return life again and again. Examples: 1:ogre thwacking(shankar) 2:pit crawler. 3:stealth test. 4:whirling thrasher. 5:master of the pit(just try return life and he was a peace of cake) 6:hraithe lord(hide ur priest and keep casting return life.) 7:goro's ogre and giant i do these fights making visit to towns and so i made it without dying. But yes there were still some battle in which i want help before i try it. 1:Haakai(i want to kill him) 2:final trial(its a real risk here i cant go to town,cant cast return life and its too much risky i think this is the place where i will die. (ok not i but my PC's) please solve this battle and then i will start it. I think no one tried it b4 but still i will do it for complete satisfaction of my victory. And i will not disappear after taking tips i will be here sharing my adventures and telling that my pc died or not and if i die second time i will tell it to every one fairly

I recently edited that i dont want to cheat so i dont think that this topic will work,also i have already seen that topic. And remember that i dont want to reload. Thanks for quick response

Hmmm I have already completed hard without dying and it was a lot of fun because you feel like a real battle where there is no next chance. Beleive me it really increased my heart beat many times because if i die i cant reload and now i am planning the same thing for tormet. If i can do hard i can do tormet too. May be after dying once but thats exceptable. Before i start such crazy works i want some suggestion and i want to know that do anyone tried it before me? (i think its not so easy but at least dont shake my confidence before even i start) I am saying to complete it without cheats