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Xelgion

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  1. Creations simply don't have the diversity of thought that humans do. It just isn't built into them. They're hardwired to follow certain patterns of thought, and the Drayks and Drakons were war machines, so they are hardwired to follow violent thoughts. It's okay for the humans to target Drayks and Drakons for extermination because the Drayks and Drakons are unanimously against them. The original slaughtering of Drayks was wrong, and I do not support that at all, but the current war is justified. If the Drayks were in power, then the humans would have been targeted for extermination. But they weren't.
  2. Quote: This debate has reset itself due to a influx of new debaters Yeah.
  3. Quote: You're just ticking off everyone today, aren't you? Not intentionally.
  4. Not passion for a game, but passion for the plot, if you want games with stupid plot, play avernum, fun game just no originality
  5. Why do I have a feeling that this topic is gonna end like this topic? After all Nicoa and Nayld where in the last one, and I bet that L.T. is gonna pop up any second. Quote: You are clueless You are ignorant, you didn't read my next line , IT GETS MORE COMPLICATED sheesh, I just didn't feel like writing for a half hour just to say what I said in the revised Poll topic. And the Rebellion and the Drakons should be two separate fractions, and also I do not think the Shapers are Hell-spawn, I think that the high up people are corrupt windbags, and yes the Shapers are a lot better than Drakons, not better than the rebellion(human)
  6. Oh, I see, mass genocide is O.k., but trying to defend yourself against people who want to kill you is bad, hm very intresting logic. Of course this isn't all of it, if you really want to debate, resurrect the Revised Political poll.
  7. Is it just me, or do most of the new spiderwebbers go to G4?
  8. Yes!!!!!!!! Imagine a Unbound geneforged, pwnersomecakes.
  9. I hate the shapers, killing drayks for no reason other than the fact that if they misused them they would bite back, bastards, when i see one i kill one, and hopefully in G5 they will have better council members than that pitiful Movawad, 202 health, me no think so! Shapers are evil, cruel and immoral, kinda like modern hippos.
  10. To all of the posters here, look at Valeta, ask Snergy for the link, i forget what it is.
  11. For canisters, being a loyalist sucks, simply because you cant make any super creations without using a canister, and you cant make drayks/Drakons.
  12. Quote: Omniwhatever Blade: You need to change the last line of your signature. What was it, it got deleted, so i dont remember
  13. I was teasing, chill, anyway greenfang isn't worth it, she takes up exp and isnt that useful
  14. Quote: Gah. This thing seems to have almost started completely over, thanks to an influx of new debaters. Amazing how it's still only on page 8. I guess Wow no new debaters, is everyone finally agreeing?
  15. Quote: Yes. Geneforge 3 & 4 show quite clearly the Drakons are prepared to go to any length to kill the Shapers. For example killing all the students in the greenwood academy, because they might be dangerous in the future. And of course, unleashing the Unbound. Ho boy, listen, the shapers shaped a new creation, a dragon-like creature named a drayk, but lo and behold, if they wanted to they could attack shapers, so they go on crusade, drakons kill students at shaper school, because they ARE being trained by the shapers to kill them, but they didn't go on a genocidal crusade, they like to kill shapers who choose to be a shaper, not humans, which is a sect, not a type of race, while shapers go after a race, which they did not choose to be Its like shapers going after African people, and drakons going after all christens, by terms of sect and race, u cant choose race, you can choose sect, therefore i side with the rebels on this one. I agree on the unbound matter, however it was a crusade, but not targeted genocide, for all they know there could be a hundred drayks and drakons and they would still send unbound. Quote: So how do those too relate? They don't Thank you finally no more political pointless refences.
  16. Quote: Child: "Oo, look at the dog, come here boy!" Dog: "Pant pant." Child: "That's a good boy." BOOM!!! Yes, the shapers want to kill children, that was the whole entire point of roamers, to kill children, thats why there are no more children in G4. But seriously, where the hell are the children?
  17. Originally wrote by Safty Quote: However the shapers have two saving graces that the drakons don't: 1 Drakons gentic self shaping causes maddness. It has been made evedent in the unbound, the drakon's tendencies, canisters, and geneforges that maddness is an unavoidable side effect of their pursit for power. The only way for them to survive is to conintue research that will make them unstable and no one with that out amount of power should be unstable. Let me put it this way, Drakon techinques increase the likely hood of becomeing menstable by several hundredfold (if not thousand), where as traditional shaping techinques the chances are nill. 2 The shapers have experince. Some of the shaper laws are meant to keep them from being challenged. They also make a good point about the dangers of letting every bum off the street shape. The shapers also have some pratical rules like not making new stronger crops becuase they will exhaust the soil and poteinally destroy the enviorment. Are the drakons likely to adobt the shapers more pratical rules? I doubt it. The Drakons who have proven themselves just as cruel as shapers will have to make all of the mistakes the shapers have just when the shapers where starting to learn from them. I don't support the trakvoite ending for three reasons. One is that you can't eradicate shaping nor can you erdicate shaping research. The fact that the rouge shapeing techinques have surived despite the shapers best efforts is testiment to that. Even if the whole of soceity was against shaping the shapers and rebel lifecrafters would go into a quite life until horrors of shaping where forgotten and bring back shapeing a new. Only this time no one would no how to deal with it. Two is that society will find a way to destroy it self. With them it is shaping, with us it is nukes. Even if you could somehow manage to find some method of stoping shapeing, how long would it be before it was replaced by some magic or technolgy equally destructive? Three is shaping is useful. To compeletly remove shaping from soceity would be the same as banning electricity. Even if you did it over time, it would be an indication of soceitys slow driffting into poverty if nothing else. Their society has depended on shapeing for untold millieums, and yet you want to remove it compeletly with in a few decades? edit: Trakovites may be right about shaping being dangerous but it would better to figure out how to control shaping before trying to learn some new dangerous magic which they know nothing about. Good point about the shapers and drakons but, umm, do you see the drakons going on a organized genocidal crusade on humans because they have the potential to be dangerous? As on the Travokite matter, i agree with you, the Travokites have the right idea, but haven't thought it out.
  18. Four? Oops. Well that only leaves 1 extra upgraded version for a creation if your intrested in making the best creation in the game, Ur-Drakons and sometimes unbound. Wait a minute, how many non-ability stat canisters? And how do you put links in your signature and not have to write out the whole entire bloody link?
  19. It really sucks, in order for you to go shaping, you cant shape drayks or drakons, because you need canisters to do, also you cant make any advanced creations because you can only be trained twice, sucks doesn't it?
  20. Hmmm well for Servile i would recommend, -pump up melee, missle is worthless as LT proved. -Get battle magic, ice spray is your friend, when your trying to reach the safehouse you dont need any melee fighting, just pump em full of ice. -buy a few levels of spellcraft, but you can't really invest in it because it gets so expensive so fast. -after getting 7 or 8 in magic you don't need any more levels to win, sure battle roar is a nice pick-me-up but isn't worth it from what iv seen, unlock will save you so much living tools -don't waste your time leveling up shaping, if you want to shape get shapemaster boots and flameweaver greaves. -You don't need alot of QA to get double strikes, 9 or 10 will suffice, and considering what awesome artifacts and items you get, doesn't take too long. -get only a couple of levels of strength, for the rest that you would typically need, get talisman of might, saves you a lot of points. Endurance is what you should stock up on, get some levels of intelligence also. For infiltrator: -buy mental and blessing magic only to 9, then focus on battle magic and spellcraft. -buy a bit of melee and QA, it will come in handy -get intelligence and endurance, those are what you will really need later on, nothing like a 700 hp infiltrator that does 400 dm in one hit. and for general, get 10 mechanics and leadership, it will go a long way. Hope i helped.
  21. Quote: Personally, I prefer the Neutral path, where I get to kill both the Shaper and Rebel heroes, and their leaders, Michael and Asura, pave the way for the reincarnation of the goddess, and still get the girl. Ummm.....What? This is Geneforge and i dont remember a Michael or Asura.
  22. Quote: If Ghaldring takes the thoughts of other Drakons into account, it's only because he's afraid that his rule will come to a violent end if he doesn't do his absolute best to offend none of them. Thats mostly what politics is. Quote: That's because creations simply don't have the diversity of thought that humans do. It just isn't built into them. They're hardwired to follow certain patterns of thought, and the Drayks and Drakons were war machines, so they are hardwired to follow violent thoughts. It's okay for the humans to target Drayks and Drakons for extermination because the Drayks and Drakons are unanimously against them. The original slaughtering of Drayks was wrong, and Nalyd does not support that at all, but the current war is justified. If the Drayks were in power, then the humans would have been targeted for extermination. But they weren't. That is EXACTLY my view.
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