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Most eyebeasts seem to get along fine with drakons and even humans as far as I can remember. They hate the shapers for the same reason drayks and drakons do. The shapers want to destroy what they can't control.
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Quote:Originally written by Suspicious Vlish:
The right of Drayks and Drakons to exist is not worthwhile? -
Quote:Originally written by Retlaw May:
Stillness, while the quote is still not meaningless that your character has still not seen the Titan or Monarch's upper level creations severely weakens the impact and degree of meaning .Quote:Originally written by Lord Safey:
the creation of the unbound do not make the Drakon society supieor.Quote:Originally written by Stillness:
Emp please minimize the facts now. Maybe you could point out for us how the drakons lack creativity or something.Quote:Originally written by Morior:
I still say that three completely different creations show more variety than three creations that are basically the same thing wih different attacks.Quote:Originally written by Lord Safey:
considering that their is a picture of a serivle mechanic (has some type of tool in his hand) and an angry looking drakon glowering over a ruined creatiion vat to me at least it imples that they need the rest of the rebellion for their skill (directly in junction with the unbound). -
Quote:Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:
Quote:Morior:
Could you provide a quote?Quote:Stillness:Quote:Thuryl:
It's worth keeping in mind that the game says this before the PC can have access to the Sealed Catacombs, so the PC doesn't yet know the full extent of Monarch's skill at that stage.Quote:Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:
Quote:Originally written by Stillness:
"They have followed the same path as Shaper Monarch, but with far greater resources and skill."
Let it go. You're wrong. -
Quote:Originally written by Dikiyoba:
The fyora could only do 60-80 in (melee) damage per attack[/QB]
I never understand why people speak so much about ranged creations melee attack. The only time I use melee is when the enemy is resistant to the specific type of attack. Am I missing something? -
I could see that, especially if the rebel ending is used. The shapers would be desperate to stop this new threat. I'm hoping we get to see more of drakon culture as well. Maybe some towns with drakons doing normal stuff.
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Quote:Originally written by Suspicious Vlish:
I agree that the Drakons tend to be cold-hearted, but only because the situation forces them to be so. -
PC: "There are three sorts of Unbound?"
Warmaster Karikiss: "Yesss. One for focused fire. One to spread damage over an area. And one for pacification, to interfere with foesss. All three will be present."
I know some of us like variety. Just a reminder that it was three creations used to save the rebellion and finally start pushing the shapers back. I think we've all ignored this important detail. The shapers have three new creations and the drakons answer with three and come out on top. In the rebel ending the drakons are said to be now "equal in power" to their former masters and oppressors. Whether you love or hate the shapers, you have to admit that there's a certain poetic justice to the fact that creations that they tried to wipe out make them turn tail and drop their shaping restrictions.
I still find the drakons arrogance and cold-heartedness repulsive. They only get worse once they start winning. It actually makes me start to lean towards them being inferior. At the same time they have matched the shapers through determination and tactical and scientific brilliance - that can't be taken from them. The PC marvels at the beauty, power, and efficiency of the unbound, calling them "very well designed" and "fantastic products of the shaping art." I don't see how anyone can realistically call the drakons programmed machines or animals at this point. I do hope the fifth game will see some of them start to question their morality.
Emp please minimize the facts now. Maybe you could point out for us how the drakons lack creativity or something.
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Quote:Originally written by Delicious Vlish:
Which is why I advocate the Servile over the Infiltrator. The Servile has no worries what so ever if he runs out of energy mid battle. He can just stand there and take it while his energy builds back up.
If Jeff made a sword that stole energy and essence with each hit, the Servile would become God. -
Quote:Originally written by Dikiyoba:
Originally by Waylander:Quote:But leveling up a fyora or artila is pure madness. -
The only valid argument of Emp's that I've ignored is his point about control. Humans control drakons, but not the other way around. That's a good argument. It should be noted that the very reason drakons are banned though is that they are extremely difficult to control. The only other person besides the PC that I can remember controlling one is Matala. Correct me if i'm wrong. Matala is extremely powerful and is not a human. The fact that your PC controls drayks, drakons, and eyebeasts seems to be more of a gameplay issue that a storyline one. He can bend the will of humans and creations. No one else is ever as powerful as he is by endgame. He can destroy townsful of shapers, rebels, and drakons.
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2 things:
1) There are some of us here that are trying to show that the game presents neither side as superior. Anyone that doesn't see that there are three sides is going to miss a lot.
2) (this is going to sound malicious, but it's not) Emp is a liar. Emp can you tell us what your lie is this time or will you play dumb? Hint: it involves something you claim I said which I did not...
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Quote:Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:
Quote:Originally written by Stillness:
"They have followed the same path as Shaper Monarch, but with far greater resources and skill."
Let it go. You're wrong. -
Quote:Originally written by Meta-Undead Spokesmage:
Once they gained enough strength to lash out, even the Drakons took casualties trying to placate them. By the time they had reached Shaper lands, it was all the Drakons could do to run away with their paltry remaining forces. -
Quote:Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:
Quote:Stillness:
Don't confuse more variety with more skill.
"They have followed the same path as Shaper Monarch, but with far greater resources and skill."
Let it go. You're wrong. -
In prolonged battles spell energy runs out, even for an infiltrator/agent.
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Quote:Originally written by Morior:
And don't say that just because someone disagrees with you or you don't understand them, their logic is broken. Both sides of this argument are equally (il)logical.
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Quote:Originally written by Thuryl:
Quote:Originally written by Stillness:
The issue is skill. You can't reason away the simple fact that the drakons have 'far more skill' than monarch. The game says it. Case closed. -
Quote:Originally written by Suspicious Vlish:
Still:Quote:
Somehow I'm a little offended at being compared to a fictional video game beingQuote:
and even more offended at being compared to a hypothetical single-celled organism.
The game you quote from (which sounds quite interesting by the way. fun?) and you seemed to imply that humans were single-celled swamp dwellers. I strongly disagree. This is an instance where I would unreservedly use the word "superior" in comparing two creatures.Quote:Originally written by Suspicious Vlish:Quote:
Besides, single-celled organisms are not humans.
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Ahh, but you see, that's where you are wrong. Humanity's grasp of the arts, science, cultured society, and technology, evolved over tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of years. -
Quote:Originally written by Dikiyoba:
But you might be terrible at drawing stick figures, and stick figures are a style of art as much as self-portraits are. There is a time and place for self-portraits and a time and place for stick figures. Sometimes quality is more important than quantity and sometimes quantity is more important than quality.Quote:Originally written by Suspicious Vlish:
For those who smirk at the Drakon's achievements, who claim that they are mere 'posers' with stolen knowledge, what had humans (in the game and real life) achieved after 20 years of evolution? By how much had they improved themselves in such a short time span?
How many barbarian tribes managed to successful adopt the techniques of the Romans, and use it against them, in such a short time period? -
Quote:Originally written by Sir Spiff:
He just didn't go far enough with his canistry. Also, he was building creations out of his basement, not fully developed shaping facilities. -
Quote:Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:
Quote:Originally written by... someone:
for no reason you ignore what quote says about skills and continue your nonsenses about resources
Is every person supposed to acknowledge every fact that has already been pointed out in everyone elses post? If so, I'd say I'm still ahead of the game, having refuted far more of other people's arguments than they have mine (see Morior's recap if you still don't get it). -
Quote:Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:
How does abandoning control and putting raw power in it's place (which is what the description says) show ones mastery over shaping? You guys need to work on your analogies.
My analogy was to make it clear that quantity is not quality, nothing more.
The drakon in the field of blood uses magic. You can still insist that drakons don't use magic though. -
Quote:Originally written by Suspicious Vlish:
Good point about quality vs. quantity, Stillness. Anti-Drakonians on this thread keep pointing out that the Drakons have created fewer radically 'new' creations when compared with the Shapers.
Of course, they seem to forget that the Drakons are channeling all of their creative energy into a 'supercreation'. Why would you waste your time on tangents when you're on the verge of constructing what is essentially a secret superweapons which can turn the tide of a war?
Are Drakons superior beings?
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What does variety have to do with war anyway?