Emperor Tullegolar

People just aren't willing to do what it takes these days. It's what makes you all so weak. You talk all high and mighty of freedom and rights but when the time comes to walk the walk, you run back to the Shapers and their laws. Disappointing.

This is the vibe I'm getting: orderly genocide (Shapers/Nazis) is prefered over chaotic destruction (Rebels/Soviets). So you guys all seem to prefer Hitler over Stalin. Interesting choice.

Quote: Originally written by Thoughts in Chaos: By the way, Nalyd is getting damn annoyed with all the "Vive la crappy Rebellion figure" signatures. Everyone is entitled to their opinion (even if they are wrong) but he could at least spell things right. It's "Trakovites" and "Khyryk" and "drayks." The non-Geneforge world words spelled wrong don't bother me so much.

I think the morality of Shapers is still quite underestimated here. Remember that one town, Valeya, I think. The guardian there was supposed to be infiltrating Rebel lands, sabotaging and spying and all that rot. But he isn't doing those things when you find him, he is patrolling the town, a town on the front, no, a town beyond enemy lines to protect its inhabitants. Where are these heartless, cruel people that are being spoken of? They take good care of creations, treating them just as well as drakons do, if not better, since they require more care than independant creations do. The drakons go so far as to aurthorize you (and help you, personally) to wipe out a nest of intellligent and independant ice drayks at one point. They even turn on their own kind whenever they get the chance.

How are the Rebels any less autocratic than the Shapers? I would argue the opposite. Though it seems most of the nobility has taken up shaping, many smaller towns and even some larger ones are governed by non-shaper humans. Rebel lands, on the other hand, are, more often than not, lorded over directly be some kind of drakon overseer. You all seem to take for granted the many freedoms afforded by Shaper rule. People live in peace and prosperity under Shaper rule, creations are well taken care of. But even creations must grovel in the presence of drakon masters on the rebel side. The drakon's couldn't even be bothered when the human administrated Southforge fell.

The Shapers are only slightly incompetent, whereas the Awakened are totally dead. Just become a Tullegolite already, Diki. We have a flag.

No! They are, in fact, polar opposites. Trakovites believe in no shaping, but they don't hate creations. Barzites are pro-canisters and pro-shaping even when it mean shaping things they can't control, but they are against creation rights. Total opposites. By the way, I sympathize with the Barzites, which is why I get defensive when they are confused with Trakovite scum.

I give you an actual compliment (sort of) and that's the thanks I get? You're going on the list, Randomizer. Lets see... #9, after Kelandon but before Dintiradan.

Quote: eris: The third image looks an awful lot like an SCA drawing to me, maybe it is the helmet and baldric. I don't know what SCA is... but the characters clothes are based off the guardians from Geneforge 1 and 2. I suppose he could also pass as a regular human soldier from the games as well.

Barzite. People need to realize that the only way to bring an end to the chaos is to take the great power unto ourselves. Only when someone finally reaches perfection can the stalemate end. As for the moderators, you can't group them all together for one opinion. Some are actually pretty cool... others are Stareye.

Quote: Retlaw May: These are different worlds and different laws apply. How can you be the one that created this poll and then go and say this? Are you invalidating your own inquiry?

The Barzites alone would be enough to make Geneforge 2 my favorite. People always say Geneforge 1 was good because it was a new concept at the time, and that is true, but relatively speaking Geneforge 2 has everything the first one did and more. 3 and 4 had only the two main factions, and though I still loved the story, I feel there is a great void left where the other factions used to be. Geneforge 5 can only be my favorite if I have the option of joining a faction I agree with.

I don't see the linear game you are all describing. There I was trying to play through as a pure Shaper loyalist, I had made it all the way to the final island with every intent of smashing the geneforge and killing whatever drakon scum was guarding it, when all of the sudden Litalia appears with her last ditch attempt to 'save my life'. Now, I didn't exactly accept her offer... but I could have.

Correct. However, your character in the game is very much not a Shaper. Anything that can be learned the hard way can be made into a canister. Canisters are available, the training simply is not. Edit: Now I wonder, how did the war trall ability find its way into canisters? To make a canister, someone who knows the skill must program it into the thing. Did a Shaper who knew how to make them join the Rebellion? Did the rebels steal the plans? Or can creations be reverse engineered somehow?

If people were self-serving, they'd be more unwaving in their convictions like myself.

Ah, so people are only liberal when it is convienient for them? I see now, Retlaw, when the going gets tough, the weak go republican.

The Shapers are the conservative, anti-civil liberties, pro-national security ideology. Does that sound like a democrat to you? If the Shapers lived in today's world you know they would be tapping phones and smashing smaller nations that were deemed a threat, not to mention the proposed constitutional amendment to ban servile marriage.

Democrat-Shaper is the most popular? You people are either miserable hypocrites or have simply been brainwashed. Whether you've been brainwashed by liberal propaganda or Shaper propaganda is anyone's guess, but I seriously doubt anyone could truely believe in both ideologies. They are incompatible.

Quote: Salmon: ET, where ya been? More like, where has this community been... I probably could have been unbanned months ago, but there was simply nothing interesting going on. I might have stayed away, but I just love Geneforge a little bit more than I hate you guys. I like Coyote's art, clearly done with more skill than mine. Not so sure about the human drakon hybrid, but I think the built in thorn launchers are brilliant. The lifecrafter is perfect. She could easily be Shaila, which would explain the maniacal look.

You can always count on Thuryl to not answer the question. I think Legs of the Tyrant are better.

a) Jeff doesn't make the characters graphics. and c) This assumes that everyone plays with the same skill level. I hate that people always whine about overpowered characters. Such things really only matter in multiplayer games when the classes are pitted against each other. If someone want a challenge in a single player game, they can pick a different character. Not everyone is a masochist.

I didn't like Garzahd's cameo only because I think it belittled what was once a great an mysterious character. Come on, exploding in a 'comical' spray of bones and dust? That was pretty funny, but he deserved better. I usually like returning characters, though, and I look forward to other Redmarks, and I still have hopes for even the smallest of Rentar cameos. I'm sad about the respawning monsters. I liked the fact that there were almost none of those in Avernum 4. It gave me a feeling of completeness when I totally cleared an area.

You can unlock the doors to that drakon's canisters and use them before giving him the rings. If you do this, he will not take your puresteel rings and you can not clear the quest.

Quote: Originally written by jamesmcm: That's why i like TES series so much btw, is because you can do anything right from the start. I'm not so sure this is a good thing. Something is just not right about becoming the Arena Grand Champion, the best fighter the land has ever seen, at level 1 using the rusty iron armor and sword you found in the tutorial dungeon. The leveling process is an important part Jeffs games, if not almost all RPGs.