Goldengirl

That explains it. I went as Servile on all my rebel playthroughs. One bad Drakon does not ruin the whole race, though we're definitely seeing a trend.

Mentally unstable. Pretty much the same. Yes, he was suicidal, but in a blaze of glory sort of way.

You're right. Just because they have different ideals doesn't make them corrupt. There are other things that make them corrupt, like the Black Rabbit's issue. (Paraphrasing) "Sometimes, no matter how much taxes a city pays, if it's in trouble the Shapers don't do anything."

Of course, reflecting, I realize corrupt wasn't the best word choice. And, of course, I can't think of a better word right now. Basically it's all of the regulations, the Sucia Isle cover up, and the corruption of individuals. Maybe corrupt was what I meant. I can't tell anymore.

First of all, no need to get personal. As for the rest, you're right. The Drakons are insane as a species, and should be stripped of their intelligence and loosed on the Shapers.

I do not recall Khima-Uss, so if you could kindly remind you, I'd be happy to inform you of the Truth. The Drakon enslavement of the Serviles is dispicable and practically the best example of hypocrisy I could give you. Perhaps the favor should be returned, as I stated above.

I agree here. Without certain advancements in key species (Ornks and Plants) many areas of Terrestia (Forsaken Lands, Drypeak) would be completly uninhabitable. Many advances (Anything off of the first tier, Artilla) I could however do without. Fyoras and Thayds could be seen as useful for protection of trade lines and cities, but the rest have no place anywhere but war.

Then the Shapers are the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Powerful, weilder of the Geneforge equivalent to nuclear tech, massive, and corrupt. Which I suppose would make the Rebels Chechnya.

Frankly, the same could be said for humanity. I could go out and kill anyone I want to, but there are certain reasons I woulnt. Not the least of which is the Law. Also, some point in the future, that person I killed could be of some use to me. I recall there being a discussion on how everyone is self-serving either in General or Geneforge somewhere.

I have to object here. He may not have been nice, but he was no Monarch. He was racist, ambitious, greedy, and arrogant, but not insane.

Backstabbing, brainwashing, and hypocrisy are fully represented in the Shapers, they are human afterall. It is interesting how you can put a much lower value on the death of millions of innocent serviles, drayks, and humans over the emancipation of three races and the rising of the poor. Quite frankly, the Rebels were clearly right that the Shapers needed to be ousted. Look at the enslavement and genocide that occurs if they continue to survive!

Iffy: Topics naturally drift. So long as it isn't a hijack, it's perfectly acceptable.

I disagree with all of the sugesstions put forth so far. The PC can't return so as to not dictate what course you took*, a Drakon PC would mess up the games choices, and Alwan and Greta have served their runs.

 

Khrhyk, Monarch**, the Drakons, Pirik, Miranda***, Litalia, and General Not Alwan. Those are the only ones I care enough to have return. Oh, Pol must reappear also.

 

*The PC's probably going to end up dead, following a Trakovite course.

**Yes, I think the PC should spare him so he could raise hairs in the next game, perhaps serve as a teacher to a new protige.

***Hers is my favorite character in the game, and she is very amusing.

And force DV to commit cannibalism? I think no.

All I did was recall the story as I remembered it.

 

The main point of it was the discussion of a proto-Shaper, most widely believed to be what we now know as the Serviles.

All this talk of cycles is nothing new. In fact, it was going on when I first joined around the time of G2, and probably earlier.

 

In the beginning, some idiot figured out how to Shape. We'll call him Prime. This spread out soon to friends, family, etc. and the Original Shapers rose to dominance as there creations became stronger and stronger. Prime, feeling like God for what he had done, treated the peasantry and creations horribly. Eventually, there was a Rebellion, powered by canisters, destroyed Prime's Empire.

 

The creations, led by the Servants, then went on to cause Prime's species into slavery. They soon figured out how to Shape them, and called them Humans. Shaping advanced, until at a point there was yet another Slave Rebellion, the Servants being killed and driven into slavery. The process repeated, with the Humans learning to Shape the Servants, calling them Serviles. Et cetera, Et cetera, ad nauseum.

Okay now. Windows betatesters, buy a lot of caffeine, inject it into yourself, and do nothing but betatest until A5 is out for Windows.

I think you are one of the few Trakovites.

 

Anyways, why not convert this thread into a debate about Trakovism?

That's what I said. Though I can understand who my post could be misunderstood.

 

I'm sure that Trakovites would be Barzites if there weren't already Barzites. All for the irony.

The Rebels are not alone in loosing rogues upon the population. The Shapers were the ones who loosed all of the rogues in the Forsaken Lands, along with areas of Burwood. More imporatantly, the Shapers were the ones who sent the clawbugs into the Dillame fields, driving away the farmers and nearly killing them. Undoubtedly some did not run fast enough.

 

Your second point is debatable. We haven't heard much about a Shaper's background before the school, so I'm going to say that this really can't be proven. Although, based on the actions of the Shapers (taxes, mostly), and the general eliteness of the Shapers, I'd say it's more of a plutocratic method of selection, allowing you to rise on your own merits once you're in the ranks.

 

Your third and final point is unlikely, to say the least. The Shapers didn't keep many books on Shaping, as it is said in basically every game. It's mostly just coded notes and word of mouth. Which makes it more likely the Trakovites will succeed, although that is still a dauntingly collosal task. In the unlikely event that the Trakovites actually do destroy all of the canisters and Shapers/lifecraters, it is extremely unlikely that books and notes would be spared the torch.

Trakovites follow Trakovism. Really, if you follow Trakovism, you're a Trakovite. Just go with Trakovite.

 

Trakovites are called such because the word of Trajkov got distorted, and he was the big wise foreigner with no "j" in his name that threw away the temptations of the Geneforge. Khyryk (spelling?) explained it after asked. Or maybe it was the guy in Dillame. Anyways, it wasn't the Drayk.

 

PS, many people feel that Trakovism is equivalent to nuclear proliferation, a good idea but unimplementable.

While we're at it, let's all become brothers and cast off the shackles of the government. Anarcho-Communism all the way! There will never be a war again, and people will forget who to make weapons because no one needs them!

 

Trakovites are just like Hippies and Communists; they have their heads in the clouds of idealism. If this wasn't humanity we were talking about, and some higher enlightened race instead, then Trakovites would have already one. It only takes one to ruin the whole ideology...

Godwin's Law does not apply to the Geneforge games, which involves genocidal masters, and an enslaved race. Seriously.

Nioca, I object to that statement. Morally, neither of them have the highground, with genocide for Shapers and the equivelant of WMDs for the Rebels. Meanwhile, the Rebels are far more liberal then the Shapers, if implementing a caste system. Frankly, this is just a radical move to the left, giving far more freedoms to the creations and taking out the dictators. What's more, I have no doubt that with the power of Shaping available to the masses, and the difficulty of controlling the Unbound, that the Drakons would be unable to do anything unpopular.

My favorite so far. Though I have to say, the Shaper with the Wingbolt has a large eye and his mouth seems very open. What's more, something about the Artilla looks odd, but I can't nail it down.

 

EDIT: Also, what's up with that tree?

Yeah, you forgot the Awakened and Trakovites, which are the most level headed bunch. I'd go for the Awakened personally, but failing that I'd become a Rebel. Similar to the Barzites, but more pro-freedom!

 

The moderators can have their bad points, but they're generally a good group. They need more power, methinks.

Funny. All it says to me is that the Shapers are desperate for a victory. The ending of the loyalists speaks to how much they appreciate you in the end.

ET. What a pleasant surprise. It's good to have you back. I'd have to say, though simplistic, your pic is the best one in this thread.

In Soviet Russia, Rebels support the Democratic Party!

 

The above sentence gives my opinion that this is very Americentric, and that I'm a Democrat-Rebel.

The poll is incomplete. There are a large amount of parties not available, and there are many sides (Awakened, Trakovites, Rising, etc.) not represented.

 

Personally, I side with the Rebels because without them, the oppression would continue, the Trakos not existing. Stir the people, get the monotony out of their mind, make the majority demand freedom, that should create a better alternative then either of them. Although Trakovism wouldn't be a bad idea either, and can be generated in the masses via escalation and continued warfare. Something like England's Parliament.

Because technically those little lines aren't land at all, they're there to make the world look bigger. There's not any actual space between the zones, or extremely little. Besides, you get ambushed enough in the regular zones.

No, please. The rations system was one of my least favorite features from Exile. Besides, would this affect the creations too? I'd imagine eight party members would hork down a lot of food. Not to mention that Lifecrafters can use their pools to heal themselves.

That would definitely be fun, but I'm afraid that it wouln't happen. It would take far to much extra work on Jeff's side.

I suggest G2.