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  1. Given that you are (I think?) saying that you liked Fallout and Arcanum more than Baldur's Gate or Skyrim, Geneforge is definitely the obvious place to point you in terms of story and setting. Avernum is also quite different from classic fantasy in terms of, again, just story and setting.
  2. That's not really a trope. Actually, I think that's completely inaccurate. Game faction leaders, where there are quests to fight them, sure -- but local faction leaders being buff, that is not really a thing, let alone a consistent one. It is extremely common for local leaders, whether they are shapers, military, or civilians, to just be a completely regular creature of whatever type. For serviles in particular, that is often just "servile". But yes, "that's the way it is" applies to all of this. It's not a bug, it's a tiny detail that is irrelevant to the vast majority of pla
  3. It's also just a normal trope in classic RPGs for town guards to be hugely OP.
  4. Interesting! On the plus side, I guess line of sight does make it slightly more plausible to use Shockwave without making a friendly town angry...
  5. It doesn't, but I would imagine that time doesn't cover the actual testing. Keep in mind that Jeff and Mariann have been doing this -- transmogrifying old zone data for a new engine -- for nearly two decades now. I would imagine they have it pretty streamlined.
  6. Huh, weird! I wonder if this means there were also changes, between E2 and E3, regarding how line of sight was processed for other attacks -- AoE, individual missiles, and barrier placement. This doesn't make much sense for Shockwave, but maybe it was put in to stop e.g. Fireball from going through walls and magic barriers. (Considering it's a plot point in E1/2 that magic barriers block fireballs, it would be weird to discover that they don't in the game...)
  7. Hmm. If you try casting other hostile radius spells like Slow Group or Curse All, do you get a message for each victim? If not, then it's not a Shockwave issue. If so...
  8. How far were you from the enemies? I don't think it's blocked by barriers, but it only goes out something like 10 squares in a given direction, IIRC.
  9. I'm pretty sure it ignores barriers in E3 as well. What are the circumstances you're using it in? (where, what wall, and what enemy isn't being damaged)
  10. The real old Spiderweb veterans tended to be more positive about Queen's Wish, I think -- it did less well with the just-Geneforge crowd. Anyway, welcome Ian, and I'd second TriRodent's recommendation of QW for you.
  11. That does sound awfully long. I'm not sure how exactly the game could be acting up, though. Can you post the specific sequence of what happens in a loop? Both what the game does and what commands you enter. I know that's a big ask but I'm not really sure what else to suggest. Maybe find a video of the fight and see if anything is different from what you are doing.
  12. When one of your party members gets possessed, you have to attack them (rather than curing them). When you deal enough damage that way (may take multiple charms) the fight will progress.
  13. alhoon, I just googled this. Literally all the references that turn up are comments from you. And in one of them, in 2019, you actually asserted the opposite, that the creation strength bug was added in the Steam versions. I don't know where you got this idea -- maybe from somebody commenting that the bug was fixed in Geneforge 5 (which it was, but that was true when the original version came out)? But it seems that no one else on the googleable Internet thinks this. -- It's true that Spellcraft boosting Battle Magic so much does give Battle Magic a boost
  14. Repackaging for Steam wouldn't have any reason to touch the numerical combat mechanics at all. But as it happens I tested on the original Spiderweb version, so I can confirm it happens there. Based on Rook's testing above the x2 only applies to levels of damage, and only for Battle Magic. (Not for Terror, which I was not expecting!) Whether it affects success power for Daze would require different testing, but that doesn't seem likely. So, how much you want of each depends. If you mostly just care about daze, nothing is different. If you care more about battle magi
  15. Huh! So the defs assignment is to ability slot 1 -- I wonder if it's possible it uses that for any ranged attack. Alternately, I guess it could be a base stat difference. (Or something hardcoded, but that would be unusual for Spiderweb.)
  16. I believe I have found the source of those extra levels of damage. In the defs file, the default shaper gets a hidden base level of 1 assigned to Firebolt, which I believe is connected to Firebolt. (This is really there for NPCs, who do not have their spell knowledge stats populated.) Due to a failure to inherit definition aspects properly, the default guardian and agent get a hidden level of 3 assigned to Firebolt instead. I don't think this affects any abilities other than Firebolt, especially given your melee results.
  17. Never let it be said that I cannot be goaded into doing useless statistical testing. I installed G2 and did a whole slew of testing myself, covering all the cases I thought would be different. End result... it looks like you are correct. I find this formula incredibly weird and unexpected, but I guess we've just been making incorrect assumptions all these years yet again. Augh. Thank you for persisting in your viewpoint. I'm glad this got tested more. One small detail that was different: I found a base 1 level of damage instead of 3, as you did. Not sur
  18. I'm arguing that there could be a percentile bonus to total damage, not to the quantity of dice used. You're jumping to conclusions on a lot of accounts. You have shown that Spellcraft is stronger, which is a useful service! But you're claiming certainty about exact formulas that deserve many grains of salt.
  19. Because at 50 tests, your averages are actually pretty trustworthy. You expected +25/+50, but your testing gave you +30/+53. That's a legit skew given the quantity of small dice being rolled and the large number of trials. But if you're right, you should be able to get results of, I guess, 17.5 at BM1/S1, 160 at BM20/S20, and 235 at BM30/S30. If I'm right, you won't get those, and will in fact see skew to a greater degree.
  20. Thanks! So this is interesting. I just listed those as a few example scenarios, not thinking about them much, but even here we can see that the "x2" formula is not applicable (edit: whoops, it is) -- though you're definitely right that Spellcraft increases damage more than Battle Magic does. They probably were bad suggestions since the 10-cap is involved, but oh well: 10 BM, 10 S = 82 20 BM, 10 S = 112 (+30) 10 BM, 20 S = 135 (+53) Firebolt is 1-4 per level, so that's an average of 2.5 per level. So +30 we'd expect to be... 12 levels of damage. +53 we'd e
  21. Thanks for explaining that my request was not making it from my mind to your mind clearly -- that's helpful. Here's an example of the kind of thing I'm asking for: "agent, level 30, only base skills except the ones listed below, naked target: ornk at front gates I tested: 10 BM, 10 Spellcraft, Firebolt - X damage 20 BM, 10 Spellcraft, Firebolt - X damage 10 BM, 20 Spellcraft, Firebolt - X damage" etc. etc., just listing what the actual combinations of stats+skills that you tested. That way, the rest of us can look at it and eithe
  22. Last broken record post before I exit the topic. If you would like to share the actual scenarios you tested to come to these conclusions, great. Until then, there have been too many corners cut to trust these conclusions at face value. Cheers.
  23. The whole point about cheat engine applies to script edits as well. There are documented cases in Geneforge of stuff happening when you hit the plus arrow to raise a skill (and confirm it) that doesn't happen if you assign those points via script defs or memory editing. If you would like to share the actual scenarios you tested to come to these conclusions, great. If not, I see no point in arguing with someone who refuses to be transparent about data gathered using testing methods that, at best, cut a whole slew of corners. Substantiate your claims and I'll gladly say
  24. tl;dr -- the conclusions stated in this thread may or may not be correct (edit: turns out it is) - cheat engine was used to change skill points; as is clearly evident with G1 creations, sometimes adding the skill point (or gaining the level) causes things to happen that don't happen simply from editing the number with cheat engine. this is a well-documented spiderweb phenomenon - most of the testing was done using edited scripts as well - finally, the OP is simply making a lot of assumptions about how things work and extrapolating from a very tiny data set.
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