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  1. That quote was pulled out of an extremely specific context.  It was not a categorical statement, as you have presented it here, and it does not belong in this topic.


    Regarding the other things you say:

    - Weapons and spells do not have the same base hit rate.  (This is easy to see, as otherwise, weapons would always be more accurate than spells, but obviously this is not the case.)

    - The healing from the Vampiric Lance is not very impressive.

    - If you haven't invested in magic at all ("I have battle magic 1") then no, low-level spells are not going to outdamage a high-level missile weapon.  I don't understand why this is confusing.

  2. You may also be ignoring other bonuses and penalties to accuracy, which can make a difference:


    - War Blessing is +10% to hit, you want to cast this (and other buffs!!) before any difficult battle

    - If you get cursed in a battle and don't bother to cure it, that's a -10% penalty

    - Some armor comes with penalties to hit.  Weigh the bonuses and penalties of your equipment thoughtfully

    - You get tiny bonuses from other skills; unless you're a Guardian, you will probably do better with spells (Firebolt is effectively free) than the Vampiric Lance


    10% doesn't sound like that much but it can add up.

  3. Basically, it's only worth increasing Priest Spells or Mage Spells for the purpose of being able to cast new spells.  You do get a small damage increase from those skills, but it's not much, and it doesn't scale very well since it stacks additively with so many other sources of damage dice.  There are better options for where to put your skill points, including:

    - survival (Hardiness, Resistance)

    - utility (weapon skills so you can use Adrenaline Rush)

    - damage (Spellcraft, which may be less noticeable than P/M Spells at low levels, but by mid/late game the reverse is true; also, Spellcraft helps out with buff/debuff duration, which P/M Spells does not)

  4. > "Giving everyone some of everything makes tactics quite flexible."


    The 4-stat system kind of makes this not work so well for most offensive skills, especially because of accuracy.  You can mix Priest and Mage spells just fine (though both have perfectly good attack spells on their own, so if you're mixing those it's probably to get more healing).  But there isn't much point to having a mage who has a weak melee attack instead of a completely pointless one, if it's going to make him worse at the main thing he does.  Similarly, there's not much reason to have a melee fighter learn a few mage spells -- they'll never do great damage, they'll miss a lot unless you invest a lot into Intelligence, and his melee attack will be weaker and less accurate.


    > "By doing that you can wear/use heavier armor/shields ... and by doing 'that' you don't have to put a bunch of skill points into resistance"


    Resistance and Hardiness are arguably the two strongest skills in the game.  Swordmage does not in any way replace them.  (It also isn't actually required to equip good armor, since you can wear 10% encumbrance and still cast if you equip a longbow for the +5%, and there are a number of great magical heavy armors with low to zero encumbrance.)


    Resistance is actually so good that it's not a completely crazy choice to have a warrior invest in it, though it's obviously not cheap for a warrior and comes at the cost of some DPS.  But for a spellcaster it's a no-brainer.

  5. Endurance makes increasingly little difference as your level gets higher.  So as long as you can get through the early levels, the optimal build for melee is probably all stat points into Strength.  That said, it won't kill you to put a few points into Endurance if you really want to.


    On the other hand, Hardiness and Resistance both reduce damage by a huge amount.  Hardiness is a top priority for pretty much any character.  Parry is also really good for a front-liner.


    For DPS output, dual wielding is just massively better than sword and shield in AEFTP.  The higher tier melee skills aren't super amazing but they do provide more DPS improvement than Melee Weapons does.


    Here's a sample build I put together way back when:


    All points into Strength


    8+2 Melee Weapons
    +1 Pole Weapons
    +2 Bows
    +1 Thrown Weapons (Warrior Cloak for the last 2 points to AR & BS)
    10+2 Hardiness
    10+2 Parry
    10+2 Blademaster
    7+2 Quick Action
    9+2 Lethal Blow
    8+2 Dual Wielding
    +2 Resistance


    Health Traits x3, Parry Mastery x2, Mighty Blows x3, DW Traits x2, Improved Strength x5

  6. What Jace has discovered is basically that Torment isn't actually that tormenting, in AEFTP.  He picked up on some key OP abilities, notably Adrenaline Rush.  And that's enough to carry him.  However, there are a lot of inaccurate statements in his description.  It just doesn't work the way he says, and his choices aren't as optimal as he paints them as:


    > The goal is 31+2 points in melee for the 33 damage dice and accuracy. That's basically what I'd have gotten from strength.

    Melee Weapons gives +1% accuracy per level.  Strength gives +5%.  These are not the same thing.


    > Then, because I know that evasion is over-powered (from experience) -- barely anything can even hit my soldiers -- I want split dexterity.

    I don't know how far he is in the game but there is no way that 14 Dexterity is enough to consistently evade things on Torment.  (Dexterity also doesn't help you evade cold, acid, or poison attacks.)  This has been discussed a lot recently on the discord -- evasion isn't bad, but you really do need to pump Dex to make it work.


    > This also scales with blademaster. In fact, blademaster only becomes more important for damage once the damage dice are 34+, which happens early.

    This sounds like he has recognized that you get diminishing returns from damage dice (which is true!) but he seems to think he only gets damage dice from Melee Weapons.  This is incorrect -- they also come from Strength, and they also come from the weapon's base bonus level.  (EDIT: And from half of PC level, I forgot that bit.)  So he's actually hitting 34 damage dice much, much earlier than he thinks he is.  This is the real reason that maxing out Melee Weapons is not actually the way to max out damage.

  7. Jeff has said they take less time.  See, again, N:R for an extreme example.


    Most of the steps take the same amount of time, but there are extra steps -- creating the scenario, drawing all the maps, and writing all the dialogue -- which are a large amount of work.  Touching up and updating these things simply does not take as long as creating them out of whole cloth.

  8. On 5/25/2024 at 9:58 AM, Drayk Armitage said:

    Work on different games isn't completely separated, and the timeline doesn't show seasons, so you can't specifically see which games took more work here, but Jeff has stated in the past that remakes take less work.


  9. All we truly know about Stalkthorns is that they weren't on Sucia.  Maybe they aren't actually a brand new creation type, just one that didn't exist when Sucia was shut down.  That would explain why they aren't news and even the various plant-focused shapers in the Drypeak area don't have anything to say about them.

  10. Alhoon, you know very well that we have lots of lurkers, lots of casual players who google questions about the game and end up here.  It is misleading at best to talk about things you can hack into the game as if it's something you can do in normal play.  This shouldn't require an argument.


    (And yes, if you are editing game files directly, you are "hacking."  It's not a dirty word, and it's a very widely used word in modding communities on the internet, so if you don't like that, your argument is with the rest of the internet and not us :-)

  11. Note for casual readers: Most people finish the game somewhere around levels 19-23, what's described here is not sane.


    Via Pigeon on discord, looks like it is in fact possible to hit level 29 without any cheating.  Steps:

    1. Reach level 26 by killing the Door Golem repeatedly.  Note that this will take somewhere around 2500 kills, so "tedious" doesn't even begin to describe it.

    2. Kill all exceptionally high-level targets that won't anger the Servants or Barzites.  This includes the denizens of Gazak-Uss and other high level zones, as well as all the Takers, Learned Thani, etc.

    3. Learn each creation type besides the fyora; read all codexes; turn in all Shaper Records and all Iron Bars; complete Zensital's quest.  (You need to have not done any of those things previously.)

    4. Finally, kill Zakary, Barzahl, and anyone else you had to leave alive.


    Steps 2 through 4 provide enough XP to go from level 26 to to level 29.  If you kill literally everything there's even a little wiggle room.


    As an additional point of amusement, if you do this, it's possible to shape a level 50 creation, specifically an Eyebeast.  You need to be a Shaper will all skill points put into Magic Shaping, Shaper Robe equipped, with all 5 points of Create Gazer, and purchase all the augments for said Eyebeast:



  12. Per usual, if you initiate combat via a conversation option, the rest of the zone doesn't turn hostile.  That option does exist here... it just doesn't appear unless you've completed the Emissary's quests.  In this case, it looks like this was done so that the option can be witty.


    Attacking a friendly creature in combat mode normally turns the whole zone hostile, so that's not really a surprise.

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