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  1. I'm familiar with the term but didn't use it because I wasn't sure if everyone else was. :-) And yes, that can provide a compelling story. There's an Agatha Christie novel where the story is told from the point of view of the murderer, but he doesn't tell you until the very end that he IS the murderer. Since the sort of old-school classic mysteries that Christie told were usually narrated in a straightforward way, it was a surprising plot twist to have her suddenly giving us an unreliable narrator. We've learned in the real world -- to our sorrow -- that people tend to interpret new events so that those events will fit into their existing worldview. When game characters do that, it makes the world a richer and more conflictual place. Having the real world be conflictual is kind of a drag, but drama thrives on conflict, so story-heavy games only benefit from it. I tried to get the Obeyer spy who was in Taker custody to escape, but his worldview was unshakable, and he seemed happy to die for his beliefs. Do I chalk his death up to the Takers, to the Shapers, or to the Obeyers? It seems as if there's enough culpability to go around for everyone to have some. 😞
  2. No problem! One of the great things about a well-written game -- which it looks as if this is -- is that everyone speaks from their own point of view, but that point of view may be based on faulty or incomplete information. Have you played Planescape: Torment? The main character has amnesia at the start of the game, and he gathers information about who he has been in the past slowly, over the course of the entire game. The slowly dawning realization of just who you have been in the past is chilling. Even after more than twenty years, P:T is widely considered to have one of the best stories, ever, in gaming. It's one of my favorite games, specifically for that gradual realization of what the truth is. So I'm happy to see the truth gradually revealed. :-)
  3. No, I don't. I think most people assume that anyone who cares enough about the Spiderweb games to post here has played them all. I guess I should stop reading this thread, but it's a shame, because I find the issues interesting. Or I could trust that my old-lady mind will have forgotten all the spoilers by the time I get to the other games. 😏
  4. *laugh* I hear you! I write Star Trek fan fiction (see avatar ) under another name, and I'm very critical when I read my stories, but my readers keep telling me that I write wonderfully in-character stories with really interesting ideas. I went to the Eastern Docks last night, and if it hadn't been for your map showing me where the power spirals are, I probably would have given up on Geneforge and gone to play something else. So you really, really ARE helping! Take another helping of effusive thanks! 👏 😊
  5. Jeff was prescient when he originally created this story, because CRISPR wasn't invented until 2012, and it was just this year that it was announced that a scientist had used CRISPR to gene-edit a human embryo. That particular scientist thought the world was ready for a CRISPR-edited human, but the rest of the scientific community disagreed. Given what's happening in the real world, I'm not surprised that there are some Shapers who want research to be controlled and safe and others who want to push the envelope. That's how people ARE. Good job, Jeff!
  6. Interesting. Well, I'll look forward to being more moderate in future games. :-)
  7. All of that makes sense to me, but then, this is my first Geneforge game, so the lore is all new to me.
  8. *blinks* Wait, what? Using canisters is forbidden? But then why are there so MANY canisters? There are one or two in nearly every area, which adds up to a heck of a lot of canisters! There are 82 zones in the game, so even if it averages out to one per zone -- though I think it's actually more -- why would the previous Shapers have made 82 items that should never be used? I'm only maybe a third of the way through the game, and my character is still hoping to find out why the island was barred. People keep whispering about a powerful machine they call the Geneforge, and I'm guessing the existence of that machine might be why, though why the previous Shapers didn't just destroy the thing -- rather than barring an entire island -- I don't know yet.
  9. Thanks for the information. Well, I'm glad I played this game first, then, so that I know to be careful in subsequent Geneforge games!
  10. This is incredibly useful and extremely well organized. Thank you so very much!!
  11. I'd been cruising along, thinking like a typical gamer, assuming that the canisters were good because they made me more effective in battle. Then I talked to someone and got inappropriately angry at her because the canisters had given me the typical Shaper arrogance, and that OVERRODE MY NATURAL PERSONALITY. (Not all the way; I managed to wrestle it under control, just barely.) Holy moly! I had no idea the canisters could do that! I mean, I know I got a message saying that the canister had changed me, but I just thought that was talking about adding the new skill. Now I see that the Shapers are arrogant not necessarily because they choose to be but because using the Shaper biotech has arrogance as a freaking side effect. Or maybe it's a planned and intended effect on the part of whoever made the canisters; I dunno. It certainly wasn't intentional on MY part. Jeff, you brilliant man, you! What an interesting and clever plot twist! Now take it away. :-) Is there any way to get my own personality back?
  12. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. I usually play isometric RPG's, since the viewpoint where you see out of the character's eyes (not sure what the name for that is, since I never use it) generally gives me motion sickness. But the maps for those other isometric games are usually oriented in the conventional way.
  13. Thank you so much for this phenomenally useful guide! I know you're the Grand Old Man of the forum here, so people expect you to know everything, but writing this out must have been a LOT of work, and you deserve MASSIVE thanks. W WNW NW NNW N WSW CW CNW CN NNE SW CSW C CNE NE SSW CS CSE CE ENE S SSE SE ESE E Any idea WHY Jeff chose to make the map in a non-standard way? I have to remind myself a dozen times an hour that East is in what I would think of as the South, and West is what I would think of as the North. The Tab key gives a handy reminder, but really ... why do it this way?
  14. Interesting! You know Jeff has done a good job when people's real emotions and real ethical values are engaged when they play.
  15. Yours sounds like an observant and nuanced view, and I appreciate your sharing it. It also sounds so much like the sort of thing I say about other games. :-) Well, you've already heard me on the Scoia'tael vs. the Order... I'm still working my way through the current game. I have a chronic illness that steals many of my days, so I can't do anything quickly, unfortunately. But when I'm done with this one, I'll certainly check those out. Or perhaps Jeff will have published Queen's Wish 2 by the time I manage to finish Mutagens. 😄
  16. I haven't played the later games in this series and am hoping not to have spoilers for them! And since Jeff is re-working this series, the Rebellion could be different, this time around.
  17. I'm playing on Easy or Casual or whatever it's called. I adore RPG's, but that doesn't mean that I'm good at them. :-) I have too much of a tendency to charge in head-on, when I should be sneaking up. :-) I was into The Witcher enough that I played it all the way through five times AND made two new adventures for it. Given that I'm a clinical psychologist in real life -- not any kind of computer expert -- learning to use the toolkit for the first Witcher game was hard, but I was so passionate about the game that I just HAD to. Long live Greece! 😉
  18. @alhoon, I haven't fought my way to the Takers yet; I had enough trouble getting past all those %$#@& vlishes to get to Pentil. But no matter how courageous the Takers are, killing people is not something I want to support. The Awakened want to be equal, and that resonates with me. There's no subservience in equality, so I find their point of view quite enlightened. I'm not very far along yet, so I haven't been asked to do anything evil by the Awakened; if I am, of course I'll decline. Back when I was really into The Witcher (the first one), we used to have long discussion about whether to support the Order (a group that oppressed non-human people, such as elves and dwarves but who kept the peace) or the Scoia'tael (a group that fought for the freedom of the oppressed non-human people but who often used unsavory methods in their fight for freedom). When I played the game for the first time, I thought it was completely obvious that the Scoia'tael were the good guys, and I was shocked when I got to the forum and discovered that about half of the other players were supporting the Order. I found the discussions interesting, because divorcing the issues from their usual real-world context made it possible to discuss those issues without as much of a personal axe to grind. Science fiction and fantasy are great for that. I'm amazed at the way computer games can make us ponder moral issues. Roger Ebert famously declared that computer games were not and could not be art, but I think he was wrong about that.
  19. I've finally fought my way through eight million vlishes and reached Pentil, and I'm finding it a difficult place to be, emotionally. The librarian has spent her entire life copying useless records because they belonged to my people. The military leader has killed people because they disobeyed shapers who weren't even there anymore. And just in case I missed the message that these were living, thinking, feeling people, Jeff has given us a sage who's figured out how to tame fyora and a farmer who's sad because her husband died. I find the entire town emotionally difficult to be in; the whole place makes me embarrassed to be a shaper. In the real world, my country abolished slavery 150 years ago. I've often thought about how horrible slavery was for the slaves, but this game is making me think about what a horrible effect slavery would also have had on the psyches of the slave owners. Geeze, Jeff, rip out my heart and stomp on it, why don't you? So, am I a crazy person who takes games way too seriously (okay, yes, I am; I know that), or did anybody else find this an emotionally difficult game?
  20. Hee! I gather that you're REALLY into loot! :-) Personally, I liked the Queen's Wish model, where we didn't have to look at all kinds of crap on the ground and decide whether it was useful or not. I hate playing Diablo and its clones because the loot is just ENDLESS, and I want to get on with exploring the world. I was really into the first Witcher game, and one of the things I liked about it was that there were only three pieces of armor in the entire game, so when you got something new, it was rare, and it mattered. So of course most players dinged the game for not having enough loot. 😞 Oh and don't worry, I'm old, too! :-) Ah, thanks! I'll look for it there.
  21. Thanks so much, Randomizer and TriRodent, for your thoughtful responses! It never occurred to me to stay unaligned for the whole game, since I like what the Awakened are doing, but it's interesting to know that it's possible, and it's cool that Jeff made that work.
  22. So, I'm very early in the game, but it's already clear that there are three factions and that I can ally with one of them. It's also already clear to me that I like the general idea behind the Awakened; equality appeals to me a lot more than either being a slave lord (ugh) or starting a war. The head of the Awakened will let me join them. Will Pentil be closed to me or hostile if I join the Awakened right away? I remember in Queen's Wish, it was wise to put off picking a country to name as favored for as long as possible, since there were quests that got closed off if that country wasn't still in the running. Is it the same general thing here? My heart wants to lend my dubious Shaper privilege to the people who seem to me to be fair and just, but my head doesn't want to miss out on half the game...
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