Ineffable Wingbolt I_am_a_Minotaur Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 I'm a late 20s warrior and I'm in the fens. Earlier I'd kept an Artila from the beginning with high stats but now I want to absorb it for either a Wingbolt or Kyshakk. The problem is I don't know which one to choose. Any help? PS. I'm not using canisters so I can't get a drayk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 I'd take the Wingbolt. That's what I did, and it was a blast. The Wingbolt does enormous damage against the relatively poorly resistant creatures of the Fens. It takes down most things in one shot, as I recall. But you'll have to pace yourself, because it runs out of energy quickly until it gets some experience. I found Kyshakks rather disappointing in comparison. They're fine, but just not as much firepower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt I_am_a_Minotaur Posted December 2, 2006 Author Share Posted December 2, 2006 Ok, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Delicious Vlish Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 They both do magic damage. The wingbolt does a huge blast of damage all at once, while the other does damage over time. I have found the wingbolt to be seemingly more resistant to hostile magic, and its energy reserves seem to hold out longer. Plus, they look cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt I_am_a_Minotaur Posted December 2, 2006 Author Share Posted December 2, 2006 Quote: Plus, they look cool. Very true. When I was testing them, while waiting for a respone, I found the Kyshakk's only advantages it's massive health and it's lighting cloud that does the same thing as poison. Though, I have the Oozing Blade so I already have a recurring damage type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 They are extremely similar. Wingbolts start a few levels higher and have slightly more energy, though not by much. They are down about 300 HP, though as mentioned they have better resistance to energy attacks (80% vs 50% for the kyshakk). Their breath attack will always be a little bit stronger, but lacks the lightning aura effect. I'd vote wingbolt for the simple fact that in a duel, the wingbolt would beat the kyshakk every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt I_am_a_Minotaur Posted December 2, 2006 Author Share Posted December 2, 2006 Quote: They are extremely similar. Wingbolts start a few levels higher and have slightly more energy, though not by much. They are down about 300 HP, though as mentioned they have better resistance to energy attacks (80% vs 50% for the kyshakk). Their breath attack will always be a little bit stronger, but lacks the lightning aura effect. So far the Wingbolt has done up to 250 damage, while the Kyshakk has only reached around 150 damage. Also, the Wingolt seems to do better damage in melee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Delicious Vlish Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Not just magic damage. Wingbolts seem to also resist ice damage better, fire damage, acid, and poison. My wingbolts always take less damage than anything else I have. Kyshakks or however it is spelled, well, you don't need two different creations doing the same damage type. So I tend to go with cryodryaks and dryaks. Out of all my usual creations though, wingbolts are the most magically resistant. Everything sort of bounces off. But I have to watch when something melees them though. They are fragile. Well, relatively speaking that is. Physical damage rips them up pretty bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Their melee attacks should be almost exactly the same, except for the poison inflicted by the wingbolt. That is another bonus, it's true. The damage gap also sounds huger than expected. Do you have more training in Magic Shaping than Fire Shaping? EDIT: Vlish, I'm confused. Wingbolts actually have slightly more physical resistance ("armor") than kyshakks, 40% vs 30%. But neither creation has any resistance whatsoever to ice, fire, acid, or poison. None. Have you actually tested this or is it just an impression? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Delicious Vlish Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 I've had high level wingbolts under powerful blessing magic hit over 300 in damage on some foes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Delicious Vlish Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Quote: Originally written by --Slarty:Their melee attacks should be almost exactly the same, except for the poison inflicted by the wingbolt. That is another bonus, it's true. The damage gap also sounds huger than expected. Do you have more training in Magic Shaping than Fire Shaping? EDIT: Vlish, I'm confused. Wingbolts actually have slightly more physical resistance ("armor") than kyshakks, 40% vs 30%. But neither creation has any resistance whatsoever to ice, fire, acid, or poison. None. Have you actually tested this or is it just an impression? Just random observation through the beta. I think it is because the Kyshakk has more life and lasts longer in melee. As for the magic attacks, I can't explain it, the wingbolt just feels like it takes less damage, but I can't explain why. But with powerful magic user types, my wingbolts lasted longer than my lightning spitters did. But I can't say why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt I_am_a_Minotaur Posted December 2, 2006 Author Share Posted December 2, 2006 Quote: As for the magic attacks, I can't explain it, the wingbolt just feels like it takes less damage, but I can't explain why. But with powerful magic user types, my wingbolts lasted longer than my lightning spitters did. But I can't say why. It felt like this for me too. My Wingbolt seems to take less damage than my Kyshakk did. They last the same amount of time, when disposible, but the Kyshakk has twice as much health. Quote: The damage gap also sounds huger than expected. Do you have more training in Magic Shaping than Fire Shaping? Yes I have one more level of magic shaping, but even they were both level 3, the Wingbolt would be miles ahead of the Kyshakk damage wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 I've used both and for damage a wingbolt is better for missle and the poison bonus in melee. A kyshakk is better for defense since it has higher health. If you are using it a shield against heavy damaging opponents then a kyshakk can just stand there and suck it up. Spine shield a kyshakk and then stand back and heal it from a distance. I always like the wingbolt graphics better and thought that was the coolest new one that Jeff added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt I_am_a_Minotaur Posted December 2, 2006 Author Share Posted December 2, 2006 Also, my hasted Wingbolt can terrorize a Rotghroth in two turns. I was fighting the maddened Rot that you find under the Golem's Fen and I used speed spores while attacking. I couldn't do very much damage since my weapon was an Oozing Blade which gives poison damage, which is what Rots resist. When my Wingbolts turn came, it did about 450 damage with two attacks. Next turn the Rot doesn't move. Then it leaves the Rot with about 100 health. Terror toke affect and it ran away. My Wingbolt easily finished it. So far, the only thing I have found that the Wingbolt doesn't seem to resist is acid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Yes, -X- once managed to take a Wingbolt down with a cryoa. It was enchanced, though, and he won due to luck more than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Kyshakks are for enormous melees as for wingbolts are to kill a single powerfull foe. The wingbolt because of it's strenght is to better keep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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