Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Torment Builds Shaper - Cheap Shaper - Missile/Creations Guardian - Missile/Creations ( More ) Guardian - Missile ( Endgame ) Guardian - Melee ( More ) Agent - Melee/Daze Agent - Battle Magic ( More ) Agent - Dodge/Missile Agent - as Shaper Guardian - as Shaper (plus walkthrough) Technical data not in FAQ Creation Stats Item Enhancements ( Update ) Artifacts Items in the Game Parry vs. Endurance for a Guardian Other Editor Information Pacifism Ending Guide Basic Tactics for the Geneforge Series There's a lot of good discussion spread out around this forum, and I got tired of looking things up. I figure somebody else might appreciate having these links around, too. Et voici! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Another fine service to the community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Grain of Salt Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Maybe this'll stop the rampant "biulds". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Radix Malorum Est Cupiditas Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Doubtfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Delicious Vlish Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 I am thinking of writing a detailed guide on how to survive torment with any character. Edit, so as to not double post... Quote: And being overwhelmed, I burned a couple of Madness Gems. The resulting charms, dazes, and general disorder and confusion was all I needed to remedy the situation, take control, and trim that thrice damned shady shaper's infernal topiaries of torment. It was fun going back and reading that. Try saying it three times fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk MagmaDragoon Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 I have to say: Nice work, Slarty! Maybe we can ask at Matt P to add something of this in his Faq's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 No, I think this would be best as its own guide. Let's see that detailed guide, Delicious Vlish! Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 I think this is a more useful than some of the information in the FAQ about character building. There are many different ways to achieve a winnable character and it comes down to playing style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 Bump, because this has links to stuff people have been referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Thanks for moving it forward. I didn't want to go and find it myself. You'll need to make a new version for GF4 in a few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk the Great Potato Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 The GF4 version contain far more information and radically different POVs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma *Milu* Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I find this thread very useful. Maybe it should be in the forum header? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 The Guardian-Melee link doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 There a several broken links from the UBB threads upgrade and the last repair job. There is another UBB upgrade due soon so no one really wants to fix the links until we see if it causes more damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lord Iraelithe Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Great, it helps alot, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 The Guardian-Missile link now links to the Bullseye Shaper thread. Also, the Bullseye Shaper link links to the PPP version of the thread, which isn't needed, since a link to the thread is here: http://www.ironycentral.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=67603#Post67603 The Great Archon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Txgangsta Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Charms list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted February 3, 2011 Author Share Posted February 3, 2011 Verb? Look in one of the G3 FAQs at GameFAQs. There's probably one there, or you can just control-F for them. This thread is five years old, G3 is older, and I doubt anyone's going to generate that information at this point if it isn't out there already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Txgangsta Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Matt didn't provide a list of locations and there is no list on here. I was wondering if there was a charms list and I just couldn't find it. I guess I'll make one real quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Txgangsta Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 G3 CHARMS LOCATIONS Blademaster Charm - Darkstone Core (Kill the Golem) Clawbug Charm - Keep West Gate (Finish Gob's Quest) Cryoa Claw Charm - Stonespire (Shaper Agatha's Quest & loyalist only) Essence Charm - Benerii-Eo Vat Core (Southeast) Gruesome Charm - Creator's Hall (In the room with the creator) Infiltrator's Charm - Tower Gates (On a body) Lucky charm - Sea Caves (In a nest in the NW) Mental Focus Charm - Inner Keep (NW) & Recipe (Madness Gem + Demon Bile + Glaahk Eye + Rotghroth) Omnicharm - Monastery Caves (Kill the creator in the NW) Physician's charm - Madness Mire (Behind a Spawner) Puresteel Charm - Benerii-Eo Labs (NE with a Golem) Skein of Wisdom - Dhonal Docks (Vlish drops on death, need Finn's quest) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish Akharri Blaze Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Which character would be best for a person to lay waste to the game and leave nothing living? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Txgangsta Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 G1 - No idea. I'd guess not Guardian. G2 - I finished as a Agent a while ago (on torment) and ended more powerful than I have been before. G3 - Shaper (I'm doing a Loyal Shaper run on torment (and no canisters!), I have 6 vlish and Alwan. Its a breeze.) G4 - Mental Magic Servile FTW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Originally Posted By: Txgangsta G2 - I finished as a Agent a while ago (on torment) and ended more powerful than I have been before That is probably more due to your experience than your class. I tend to find standard Shapers are the easiest and most powerful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 GF2 had parry as a broken skill so guardians could build it up until they were immune to damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 Practically immune, not actually immune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Txgangsta Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 My agent had 16 parry by the end of the game. It was just as maxed out as the Guardian's would be. I saved skill points by purchasing lots of points in numerous skills first and keeping blessing magic rather low. When I needed buffs, I put on items. I think, because of the kill spell, the advantage because of distance, and the aura of flames ability, my agent would be more powerful than a well built guardian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Tracer Bullet Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I succeeded in building a dead-weight Agent once, 12 parry for self-defense, a drakon, Heust Blade, Xander, and Huge Roamer. My PC was in every way a Shaper stand-in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Tomas, spying on Yves mushrooms Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Somebody know where i could find torment melee-guardian build guide? I want to compare my characters progression with somebody's else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 I don't know if one was ever made. Magma Dragoon ran one on hard difficulty, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Bane of Rebels Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Thanks for this helpful list of useful links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Juan Carlo Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I've never played as a shaper before in these games and am currently playing G3 as one. I don't fully understand how player skills affect the power of creations. If you, for example, increase either you "magic shaping" skill or increase your "create Vlish" spell a level, does this mean that all of your current Vlish will be affected by this? Or do you have to absorb and recreate your current creations to see the benefits of the stat increases? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 You have to absorb and recreate in order to take advantage of higher levels. However make a save before doing so since a creation that you have had for a few levels maybe as powerful as a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 When you shape a new creation, it gets one extra level per point in the appropriate shaping skill. That's all the skill does. It has no effect on existing creations. It does not work differently from letting creations gain experience. —Alorael, who cites this as the reason why boosting your creating skills as fast as possible can be important. You want to get to the point where you make powerful creations soon enough that then they can gain more levels from killing stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Juan Carlo Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 So if you plan on keeping the same creatures for most of the game (which hasn't been that hard thus far, even on torment), is there any reason at all to increase Magic Shaping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Right. Once you settle on your final roster, the only reason to keep boosting Magic Shaping is if you're concerned about your creations getting killed and having to replace them. You do need to raise the stat a bit at the beginning to make that roster you want, but then you're done. —Alorael, who will note that the killer build for G3 is the shaper with vlishes. When you've made your vlish horde, you no longer need to shape, and it's not terribly hard to make that horde quite early, and the experience your minions gain over the course of the game far outweighs whatever levels you can get from the skill. Plus those levels are free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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