Burgeoning Battle Gamma EvilEye Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 I have been doing some testing of traits and I found that natural mage gives the following: +2 initial bonus to mage spells +1 initial bonus to magical efficiency +1 mage spell bonus per 6 levels +1 magical efficiency bonus per 10 levels Pure spirit gives the following: +2 initial bonus to priest spells +2 initial bonus to magical efficiency!! +1 priest spell bonus per 6 levels +1 magical efficiency per 6 levels!!! So if i had to choose between the 2 its Pure spirit all the way, assuming I use non encumbering armor. Also anyone know the formula for magical efficiency?? Everyone says that it sucks.... BUT you get a pretty hefty bonus by level 30 ( +11 ) if you had both natural mage and pure spirit, and thats before any training or items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Vicheron Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 Don't forget that mage spells cost more to train than priest spells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 Don't forget that magical efficiency is worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 Don't forget that Magical Efficiency is gravy, not a useful skill. Casting in armor is vital if you plan to have mages. —Alorael, who likes the irony of Magical Efficiency being the least efficient way to conserve magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma EvilEye Posted March 26, 2006 Author Share Posted March 26, 2006 Quote: Originally written by PDN of the People: [QB]Don't forget that Magical Efficiency is gravy, not a useful skill.QB] Says who? Where do you get the basis for that statement? Even with a +11 bonus? This is why I am asking, does anyone know the formula for magical efficiency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma EvilEye Posted March 27, 2006 Author Share Posted March 27, 2006 Wow, got it up to 25 and really doesn't do much Well that sucks, when you get a skill to 25 you really expect some payback of some kind. It even seems it never decreases the casting cost of spells like icy rain. I tried nummerous times and it always costed 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Walter Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Well at higher levels you will almost always cost a few points less for the most expensive spells. I believe the savings is proportionate to the cost of the spell, so savings are less likely on cheap spells. I'd say I save about 50 or so total sp casting augmentation, steel skin, and enduring armor with my two characters with both traits+ a few points from other sources near the end of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Magical Efficiency is AWFUL. I did tests on it which are somewhere in this forum, too. Even with a maximum skill level of 30 magical efficiency, the mana saved is relatively low and inconsistently applied. HOWEVER, since priest spell skill is responsible for damage from Divine Retribution AND dodge % from the enduring spells, I'd argue that a ridiculously high one is rather more useful than in mage spell skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Natural mage is useful for the armor allowed penalty going from 5% to 20%. This means that a mage can use more different armors and combinations. The real benefit for having one character with natural mage is that Terror is more likely to work. This seems to extend to even items like the Terror wand. The cost to train up in mage spells is higher than priest, so you can use Natural Mage with tool use and train up as a priest for extra spells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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