Geneforge 5: Overthrow - October Update

[Slawbug]

I'm surprised more people didn't want to run the new class.

[Luca]

So, in G5 if you pick shaper, are we respected, full and revered or in training at peon status.

[Randomizer]

It doesn't matter whether you pick any class because Shaper Rawal treats you as minion, a talking dog, to run, fetch, and report back. Serviles do get a little worse treatment in the comments made about you.

 

The new class suffers from the only problem that the encounters to leave the second barrier quest tend to be harder for the usual creation picks. By mid game the class has access to enough creation types that you should be okay. I just got frustrated that my creations were useless for a key zone and kept being destroyed. I even stashed them in a room near the zone entrance and watched the game AI send the monsters after them while I was attacking to clear the first fight.

 

The biggest problem has been addressed in that Jeff was stingy with experience early in testing and that you could clear most zones for no experience. Now you can get into the low 50s level for characters so there isn't an excuse not to have a powerful character before getting help from the items.

[Slawbug]

The traditional agent builds from previous games (notably DV's glass cannon agent from G3) mostly ignored combat skills anyway, so it would be easy enough to run the new class creationless, like an agent. Right?

[Randomizer]

Pretty much, DV's idea needs a little modification in that with high damaging attacks near the end of the game you want some strength for wearing heavier armor. Jeff did include some lighter puresteel armor for the weaker characters. There are a few monsters that take more damage from a weapon than a spell, but you can get training and items that can be swapped for those few occasions. Almost all of them take acid damage anyway.

 

 

I pretty much ran the new class as an agent and then added some fire shaping to get 2 cryoas. The plan was to upgrade to drayks in the middle of the game.

 

With 50+ levels, you have plenty of room for adding whatever you want.

[Dark Neptune]

I didn't know Rotghroths became weaker. I don't understand. Why do some people love to save so much essence for spells? In my G4 account where I am level 39, I have about 500+ essence but I only keep 70-80 of them for spells. That's less than 1/5 of the total amount.

(Note: I only play on Normal difficulty, so don't blame me if I said something wrong for those playing on Tricky or/and Torment difficulties.)

 

One last question, did Jeff added more creations to your arsenal or is it the same old 15 species from G4?

[Mr. Potato Thumbs]

While you're giving out tantalizing details, one question regarding Mechanics and Leadership. How much will I have to invest?

 

Each Geneforge game requires a minimum amount for specific areas and conversation options. I prefer to allocate the maximum amount needed for the entire game and never look back, e.g., my inflitrator in G4 has 10 in Mechanics and Leadership before leaving the Forsaken Lands. In the second chapter, I invest two more points in each and I'm set for the game. This puts me at a severe handicap initially, but it is a necessary one.

 

Short term, this strategy gives me additional experience points for options that need high Leadership and Mechanics. Long term, it frees my inventory (no need to carry too many Infiltrator items) for more valuable things,and reduces the number of living tools I must use.

[Randomizer]

Mechanics and leadership depend upon how many of the items you have that can give bonuses to them. One problem with beta testing is that you can't get to the next section for a while, so you get bored and increase those two abilities more than you need them so you can explore everything that is available. The result is you go into areas that were meant for much later in the game when you should have gotten the items.

 

Highest trap is mechanics 16, but I haven't looked for other mechanics abilities checks. I have to look at the scripts for the highest leadership check. I'll give an update when the game comes out, but you don't need the abilities that high if you know where the items are located or are playing for those skills instead of combat to get through the zones.

 

Edit - I found a higher mechanic mine than the trap.

[Delicious Vlish]

Whatever happened to non disclosure agreements?

 

I've been a tester for years, I've never seen so much spilled about a game before hand.

 

I have all kinds of things I'd love to say, but that'd be wrong.

 

Oh. I will say, the glass cannon Agent is dead. Servile Turtle Mage on the other hand...

[Lilith]

I'm assuming anything we're told has been cleared with Jeff first. Besides, testers have outright lied about games before, so it's not like you can fully trust any information coming out of them anyway.

[Luca]

Then "update" threads is no longer needed?

[Randomizer]

DV - There's nothing wrong with the glass cannon agent build (mine's mostly got endurance from items). You just need a healthy dose of steroids (strength) to wear heavy armor like a guardian without becoming encumbered. I'm running on torment and having very few problems except stun loops which would hurt any build.

[Dark Neptune]

So, is truth in Randomizer's words? I don't know, so I would think about it. I just want to see more images of G5 and the walkthrough of it. And also, this storyline better be epic enough to last me nearly a year, as G4's storyline lasted me for only 2 months.

[Acky]

Originally Posted By: Dark Neptune

So, is truth in Randomizer's words? I don't know, so I would think about it. I just want to see more images of G5 and the walkthrough of it. And also, this storyline better be epic enough to last me nearly a year, as G4's storyline lasted me for only 2 months.

With 5 factions, unalinged, canisters or no canisters, and a plethara of sidequests, plus 6 different classes, I'd imagine there'd be plenty of replay value.

As for Randomizers honesty, who knows?

[Xelgion]

Quote:

As for Randomizers honesty, who knows?

Actually, I think he is the most honest of the mods and is probably telling the truth.

[Randomizer]

Not according to Dikiyoba. She didn't believe in GF4 you could get vampire abilities.

[Xelgion]

Originally Posted By: Randomizer

Not according to Dikiyoba. She didn't believe in GF4 you could get vampire abilities.

You don't, you get a sucky health regeneration ability. Nothing near vampire abilities.

[Student of Trinity]

Originally Posted By: Xelgion

... a sucky health regeneration ability.

Vampires suck.

[Xelgion]

Originally Posted By: Student of Trinity

Vampires suck.

Really now?

[Dark Neptune]

Some weapons like the Thristing Knife in G4 allow you to do some Vampric abilities, so do they suck? Somewhat, till Jeff decides to let us find a weapon that can suck at least 25% of the damage we did in that round in every turn. Then, we just gonna hate Garlics and love Vampires. Lol.

[Delicious Vlish]

In G4, I remember using a whole bunch of the vampire items and then the regeneration spell...

 

It worked quite well. At least well enough.

[A less presumptuous name.]

Originally Posted By: Student of Trinity

Vampires suck.

true, vampires do suck blood

[Sudanna]

*Facepalm*

[Lifecrafterandnoobeditor]

Yes we would hate garlic... maybe he should have an opponent that throws explosive garlic to counter the vampire skills?

[Xelgion]

No. What Vampire ablilities should be is to make other people vampires (Vampire Unbound. Tee-hee!)

[Luca]

There goes the poooooiiiinnnnnttt......

[Acky]

Lets not forget that this game is about making your own monsters to fight in your name. The fact that you can even get a "vampire" abilty when there's not even vampires in the game to me is aggravating.

 

 

By the way, I find it usefull to an extent.

[Fringy MacGee]

Rotgroth/Rothzhidons aren't vampires per-say, but they are rather necrotic.

[Acky]

Originally Posted By: Fringy MacGee

Rotgroth/Rothzhidons aren't vampires per-say, but they are rather necrotic.

If by "necrotic" you mean zombie look-alikes, than yes

[Dark Neptune]

Rotghroths look like large zombies who wanna strip your body apart and eat you like you ate your KFC Chicken. Rotdhizons look like even larger zombies who wanna eat you in a crunch but before they do that, they burn your body with acid.

 

I think we better stick to the original topic rather than talking about Vampires, or Garlic. I wonder whether Jeff will throw in an Easter Egg in G5.

[Acky]

Dark Neptune

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I wonder whether Jeff will throw in an Easter Egg in G5.

 

 

Doubt it. He probably dosen't care about the requests and opinions of us lowly members.

[Fringy MacGee]

Originally Posted By: Dark Neptune

I wonder whether Jeff will throw in an Easter Egg in G5.

Has anyone found an Ornk canister yet?

[Acky]

Originally Posted By: Fringy MacGee

Originally Posted By: Dark Neptune

I wonder whether Jeff will throw in an Easter Egg in G5.

Has anyone found an Ornk canister yet?

Umm, you can find the one in G4 in

Click to reveal..

Porphra eastern road. First, kill all the oozebeasts on the west bank. Then go to the western side and kill the Ornk-lord, take its guantlets, then check the spat of forest near the left exit. Feel around the forest because you won't see it and then click on the canister. To get it, don't select any creation's on the bars.

For future refrenence, you're supposed to make a seperate thread for someting like this.

[Dikiyoba]

Originally Posted By: Ackrovan

Umm, you can find the one in G4 [...] For future refrenence, you're supposed to make a seperate thread for someting like this.

Or perhaps the question was aimed at G5 instead of G4.

Dikiyoba.

[Randomizer]

There is an Easter egg in GF5. You look for a white rabbit carrying a pocket watch whose thought balloon is, "I'm late."

[Delicious Vlish]

It was finally revealed that serviles were shaped with big noses to help find truffles.

[Lifecrafterandnoobeditor]

rofl... all good ideas and yes, vampire unbound would be incredibly destructive

[nikki.]

They would, until the sun rose. Then, even an Ornk would be able to take one down.

[Dark Neptune]

Truffles? And also, I believe Randomizer is lying about his previous post's G5 Easter Egg. No offense though.

[Delicious Vlish]

Accusing a mod of fibbing will get you a feisty tentacle slap of pain...

 

[Student of Trinity]

I take that back.

[Dark Neptune]

Heh...Sorry? Like i said in the previous post, I dont mean any offense to anyone, assuming you were refering to me, DV.

[Xelgion]

Hes not being serious, and if he is, well he isn't so thats impossible.

[Delicious Vlish]

Oh I was being dead serious.

 

With out saying to much, there is a place, a big repository of where the shapers put their knowledge, like a library only full of snarling blood thirsty rogues, and you can read up about all kinds of things by clicking on the little books on pedestals.

 

Like Sucia island, how the Shapers came to be, races that the Shapers enslaved, punished for resisting, etc.

 

Serviles were made the way they were as punishment. Forced to dig in the dirt and endure menial labour. They were given long noses to help them dig out valuable roots and herbs, and one can only assume that would mean truffles as well.

 

Getting the library pass is fiendishly difficult though.

[Hydromedia]

Originally Posted By: The Flaming Cuckatoo

Sometimes I wonder if it is really worth reading all these tantalising bits of information... Perhaps it is an inate instict to inflict such torture on myself?

Don't worry,
It's even more tantalizing for those of us who don't have Macs. More tantalizing, and more evil. Yes, I'm insinuating that Macs (and Jeff's use of them) are evil.

[Dikiyoba]

Originally Posted By: Delicious Vlish

With out saying to much, there is a place, a big repository of where the shapers put their knowledge, like a library only full of snarling blood thirsty rogues, and you can read up about all kinds of things by clicking on the little books on pedestals.

How come the rogues don't eat or tear apart the books? Are the books all trapped? Dikiyoba hopes they aren't.

[Dark Neptune]

Originally Posted By: Dikiyoba

How come the rogues don't eat or tear apart the books? Are the books all trapped? Dikiyoba hopes they aren't.

Dikiyoba, remember, in reality, it is Jeff that controls those rogue A.I.s, not some Character like a Shaper A.I.

[Randomizer]

Originally Posted By: Delicious Vlish

Getting the library pass is fiendishly difficult though.

Not as bad as the rogue creations destroyed the index. It took me 2 hours to search the place and make notes for the next playthrough.

Edit - This makes the A2 Empire Archives look easy. Dodging/killing creations and searching the whole place for useful information.

[Delicious Vlish]

Originally Posted By: Randomizer

Originally Posted By: Delicious Vlish

Getting the library pass is fiendishly difficult though.

Not as bad as the rogue creations destroyed the index. It took me 2 hours to search the place and make notes for the next playthrough.

Edit - This makes the A2 Empire Archives look easy. Dodging/killing creations and searching the whole place for useful information.

Did you find all of the hidden levers to pull? I've discovered a basement level on my second play through. A lot of the levers are well hidden, right behind the shaper and guardian statues in the central hall.

Don't go in the basement. It is full of things that are nothing but eyes and a lot of free time to read.

It is worth searching and clicking on every book though. Your healing craft goes up by 3 or 4, as does your shaping skills, magic skills, and your endurance after reading the compendium about guardian exercise regimens.

Having your self well versed in lore of the shapers helps a whole lot when debating with council members. It gives you reply options that you wouldn't normally have.

[Luca]

*Nebulan turns to make sure everyone is writing this down*