G5 wishlist.

[Xaiya]

You want to crush an Artilla

Riding on a wingbolt would be interesting.

[Shaper Mateus]

It's very easy to have your own fortress/house/domain in any geneforge. I have done it ever since geneforge 1, and here's how you do it:

 

- explore the map, and find a nice place you like, preferably a small town

- if you just want a house, choose one in that town and claim it for yourself (hopefully no one inside that house will mind to be thrown out)

-if you want an entire town, go into battle mode and strip it clean of all life

 

if this has been made correctly, you now have a functional house/shelter/town/city/fortress to call your own

 

PS: Killing everything in some cities, especially in G1 and G2 will make you an enemy of that city's faction forever so make sure you hate that faction enough before proceeding with the slaughter

[Student of Trinity]

I always liked using the entry to the lair of the Bound One in G2 as my cache and trophy room.

 

One problem is that you can only rest in a friendly town. So a town whose inhabitants you have massacred, or a lair you have cleared of monsters, won't work to restore you. That means that however homey you may make it, to pump yourself up after a tough fight you still have to visit some darn town full of annoying strangers. Grrr.

[wxxqut]

You can claim a town with essence and healing poll.That would work.

[Ijuuin Enzan]

Oh hell, it's Colicedus. Just don't suggest that he add chainsaws.

 

Now then, I'd like to see more change in towns. If a Shaper camp occupies a town, they'd logically add fortifications, defense it up. If a berserk rogue is trampling through an area, it seems to follow that things would get broken. We already know areas can change, we just need more of it.

[The Crimson Coyote]

You should know I have hung up my chainsaw for now...

...

 

I think that there should be a world clock system, hunger, and sleep, and other day to day things in life as a non shaper in GF5, then towards the middle of the beginning after doing something like using a Geneforge, you become a hero and don't require sleep and other crap.

 

I also think, that here should be destructible buildings.

(Who had fun in Avernum with the Move mountains spell?)

For instance you could blow apart doors rather than pick the lock!

Or you just blow a hole in the side of that bastards house who just ripped you off!

 

I also think there should be a special opportunity fire attack. for those of you who have not played Horror squadron, opportunity fire is done if you have X amount of Action points at the end of your turn to allow yourself to fire at some one as they enter your line of sight in combat, letting you use range weaponry/spells to attack him on his turn.

 

I also think, there should be... no, no thats enough...

[Ijuuin Enzan]

Wanton destruction is appropriate only in moderation. Move Mountains and Shatter took advantage of pre-existing damage and amplified it. There's more than enough of that in the Geneforge world, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem to apply tactically. Or better yet, a disaster unique to this world: the genemodded plants, all to willing to usurp any building or clearing left alone for long enough. How about a new spell, Overgrow? Used on a section of forest, it would perhaps cause (young, breakable) trees to sprout up, barring your enemies path or even trapping them where they stand.

[Celtic Minstrel]

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Originally written by Paladin95:
I'm no computer programmer, so, please, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like a fairly easy idea to program if you keep the functions simple. All you would really need is the ability to generate NPC Serviles that will roam a specified area, similar to the NPC's that already exist. You can talk to them, and when you tell them to complete x task it will take z time to complete based on the number y of Serviles that are working on it. After that time is up, the item shows up on the map in the place you designated. It's not a whole lot different than how the school in G3 gets cleaned up as you progress through the game, except the prompts for the change to occur are caused by a talk node with a Servile instead of a plot element.

This is a good idea and is also rather unlikely to happen. I do see that you might be able to do it within the scripting system though - the only thing required on the engine's part is to remember the addition of NPCs and the change of terrains.

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Originally written by Ijuuin Enzan:
Or better yet, a disaster unique to this world: the genemodded plants, all to willing to usurp any building or clearing left alone for long enough. How about a new spell, Overgrow? Used on a section of forest, it would perhaps cause (young, breakable) trees to sprout up, barring your enemies path or even trapping them where they stand.

But this would also block your way which could cause problems of not being able to get somewhere you need to get to.

[Taliesin]

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But this would also block your way which could cause problems of not being able to get somewhere you need to get to.

They did specify "breakable" trees. So you could just burn them up or hack them down when they had served your purpose.

[wxxqut]

Or clean the entire forest that already exists or dig tunnels trought ground.

[Celtic Minstrel]

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Originally written by Taliesin:

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But this would also block your way which could cause problems of not being able to get somewhere you need to get to.

They did specify "breakable" trees. So you could just burn them up or hack them down when they had served your purpose.

... Since when can you burn / hack down trees in Geneforge?

[wxxqut]

You can't.Its only a wish to be able to burn trees in G5.

[Jeran Korak]

There's absolutely no reason why you couldn't. Only JV probably wouldn't.

[wxxqut]

What if in G5 you would be able to use geneforge two or more times?

 

I mean when you do quests for rebells they decide to give you more power and not just a little(like using another canister)more like using geneforge again which bosts many of your stats and abilitis by more than one point.

 

But not to use it to often only 2-3 times othervise you would become to powerfull to trully enjoy the game.

[Ijuuin Enzan]

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Originally written by LakiRa@:
What if in G5 you would be able to use geneforge two or more times?

That's pretty much contrary to the point of the Geneforge. You did play 4 and read all the first-personal intricacies of having used it even once, yes?

[wxxqut]

Yes, I even tried to using it second time both in southforge an northforge citadel and it killed me both times.

 

Point of geneforge(in G4) is to be much more powerful canister.

[Student of Trinity]

The Geneforges in G4 were Lite versions. Great taste, but less filling. So maybe there could be a super-duper Geneforge in G5, even better than the original, which would allow you to totally blast everything to blazes. Yeah, that would be good.

[Sudanna]

One thing that Nalyd wants is the uncontrolled Shaping waves that were used on the natives of Sucia in pre-G1 times.

 

By the way, it is Nalyd's impression that Shapers Shape by creating the zygote of a base creature, bombarding it with different types of radiation, and accelerating the growth process.

[The Crimson Coyote]

I had a thought... Shaper Surgery?

If you take one lead of the story or do something wrong (or right depending on how you look at it) at a particular part your body gets really badly damaged, your legs even get ripped off and eaten!

 

But thanks to Illegal shaping, your able to get new limbs attached to you, and you gain some new powers!

Your armor also increases, and... maybe you get a chainsaw?

 

...

 

What about playing as Multiple shapers at one time, each with there owen inventories, some what similar to Avernum?

 

Particularly in G3 i think Al and Greta should have had some sort of inventory system.

[Jeran Korak]

G1's Geneforge turned you into a demi-god. All your stats were increased by 10 and you could take on anything with realitve ease. It was _hard_ to die after you used it, even if you walked through a minefield or the like.

[wxxqut]

That's cool!Hope Jeff brings it back in G5.

[The Ripper]

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By the way, it is Nalyd's impression that Shapers Shape by creating the zygote of a base creature, bombarding it with different types of radiation, and accelerating the growth process.[/QB]

The second part of that theory makes sense to me, but how do they create the zygote? Where do they get the Gametes from? From their own reproductive organs?

[Celtic Minstrel]

They don't need gametes. Think of it as taking a cell and injecting the new DNA into it. Voila, a zygote (provided the DNA codes for some multicellular creature).

[Sudanna]

That's what the base materials are for. Like sulfur for a fyora, or a scorpion for a clawbug. Nalyd remembers reading something to this effect in one of the Geneforges.

[Nioca]

GF3 and GF4 both have posters during loading that sometimes show creations and small trivia facts about them. Some of them indicate that certain creations came from a base of some other critter. The base of a Clawbug is a scorpion, the base of a Wingbolt from an Artila, etc.

[Xaiya]

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I think that there should be a world clock system, hunger, and sleep

That happens when traveling between sections.
Hey! Why not an ambush when you are going between sections at certain places?

[Goldengirl]

Because technically those little lines aren't land at all, they're there to make the world look bigger. There's not any actual space between the zones, or extremely little. Besides, you get ambushed enough in the regular zones.

[Dikiyoba]

Originally by Nalyd:

 

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By the way, it is Nalyd's impression that Shapers Shape by creating the zygote of a base creature, bombarding it with different types of radiation, and accelerating the growth process.

Judging by the PC's reaction to those magical microscopes in every game and a book in G2 (the one in Drypeak), Shapers don't know about the existence of DNA or even cells. (I have no idea how much they understand of heredity--probably not a whole lot.) I don't think they'd know what a zygote is. They'd need a more-developed creation to experiment with.

 

Dikiyoba.

[The Crimson Coyote]

I found on he Loading screens were too quick for me to read the Creation information except that Battle Alpha Loin cloths were not stickily necessary, but advised to avoid shocking Townsfolk.

[Celtic Minstrel]

If you want to read this information, find the relevant graphic in the Files folder. On the Mac, it's in the file "Geneforge 4 Graphics" (or 3).

[The Ripper]

Thanks Celtic, that is informative. Where do they take their stem cells from? Or do they just manufacture the cells themselves as well?

 

Dikiyoba: I don't think anyone can disagree that shapers did not know anything about DNA and stuff, but I believe they could manipulate Genes without understanding the mechanisms behind it. Similar to how early humans unconsciously selected aurocs into cows without realizing what they were doing.

[Dikiyoba]

Originally by the Ripper:

 

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...but I believe they could manipulate Genes without understanding the mechanisms behind it. Similar to how early humans unconsciously selected aurocs into cows without realizing what they were doing.

I definitely agree that Shapers are engaging in genetic engineering. I guess my point is that they go about it very differently than we do. Shapers live in a world of essence and magic, not DNA, cells, and radiation. Our way of thinking about how shaping could work is probably radically different than a Shaper would see it.

 

Dikiyoba.

[The Ripper]

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Originally written by Dikiyoba:
Shapers live in a world of essence and magic, not DNA, cells, and radiation. Our way of thinking about how shaping could work is probably radically different than a Shaper would see it.

Dikiyoba.[/QB]

Good point. I guess I think of it more like science fiction now, what with all the amazing advances in biotech, its not hard to imagine the near-future containing some very relevant analogies to GF.

Or maybe I've been listening to too much Kurzweil.

[Taliesin]

I think it's interesting how the Shapers seem to have almost Trakovite ideas about having too much power. Whenever a group of researchers (Sucia Island group, Gull Island shapers, etc) have too many discoveries, like about Shaping each other or the Geneforge, they do everything possible to destroy that knowledge. This is why the drakons know all this stuff about cells and DNA, and most Shapers don't.

 

So why can't the Shapers and Trakovites get along? Both seem to have similar ideals to some extent. But I guess the only Geneforge character who agrees with me there is Khyryk.

[wxxqut]

Shapers and Trakovites?I don't know...

 

Edit-I would like a teleporting spell.That you could from anywhere in the zone teleport yourself to any place in any discovered zone.

[Celtic Minstrel]

A teleport spell could be very difficult to implement.

[Taliesin]

Supposedly Khyryk can teleport in G3, but only within his tower.

 

Edit: I never tried to kill him so I don't really know how it works, but that's what I've heard.

[wxxqut]

Also the imprisoned shaper(i can't remember her name) in G3 at Gull island teleports when you free her.It would be avesome if you had that power.

[The Ripper]

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Originally written by LakiRa@:
It would be avesome if you had that power.

Agreed. I would so teleport myself to the other side of Turabi Gate.

[Zummi]

Why would you need a Teleport spell in Geneforge?

Is zone warping not enough for you?

[wxxqut]

Why not?I would love a faster way of travel somewhere behind red sections(if its previously discovered of course othervise it would be like cheating)

 

And as Knobgoblinking said space betwen sections isn't land its there only to make world look bigger.

[Sudanna]

Nalyd didn't mean radiation per se - the exact wording was "The Shapers Shape a creation and bombard it with different types of magical energy", or something similar.

[Taliesin]

In real life, that would be called radiation.

 

Yes, the core difference between the Shapers and the drakons (or Sucia Island researchers) is that the mainstream Shapers used a trial and error system based on tradition, and the drakons/other Shapers studied the genetic code itself and then modified it. The latter, of course, is a main goal of modern genetic research.

[Shadow stormer]

One of my ideas is for character selection i like playing as an infultraitor but i dont like playing as a female. my idea is a male and female option and it changes how the characters look

[Xaiya]

That is actually one of the better ideas I have heard.

 

The lack of character graphics is odd.

[Taliesin]

I wonder what a female Warrior would look like...

[The Crimson Coyote]

the old school guardian?

[Taliesin]

Hopefully more creative than that.

[wxxqut]

Something new, doesen't need to be much creative only to look different and it will be enough.

[Taliesin]

What I meant was that the old guardian is pretty simple compared to the newer guardian and the warrior.