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What monsters are on your list? (Avernum 3)

 

iv got Drake lord , Ur-Balisk , vampire and empire dervish . Im considering making a new game only because im trying to get Doom guard as a summon creature, im also attempting to get slime lord.......

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First of all, you picked an absolutely great and traditional topic to make your first post on.

 

Second of all, you can't have Doomguards because they a) have a special class and B) split.

 

As for me, I love Aranea Lords and different Golems.

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I hardly ever use Capture Soul and Simulacrum, but on the one or two times I did, I had two Ur-Basilisks, A Dark Wyrm, and some kind of spellcaster.

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Back in the Exile 3 days, I did h** e*** once to be able to summon a doom gaurd. Sadly I think I accidentally hit one and they just kept on popping up. Soon, I not only was surrounded by a legion of doom gaurds, but I couldn't tell which was hostile and which wasn't. So, I'd assume not allowing people to capture doom guards was for good reason.

 

What did happen after that unfortunate incident? My computer took forever to do anything and I ended up restarting my computer.

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I keep Ur-Basilisks, Null Bugs, and Gazers, but I hardly ever summon either one. They're not necessary. Creatures that are just fighters or casters, not utility creatures, are even more useless. They just steal experience when they kill things.

 

—Alorael, who doesn't think that guessing which doomguards are hostile and which are copies of the contraband summoning is an important question. Part of the problem is that copies of the creature are set to the default setting, which means the duplicates are all hostile to your party. Only the original will be on your side, and its propensity towards creating an army of enemies hardly makes it a great help.

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I've got

-Drake Lord -found him in Southern Valorim(is that spelled right?)

-Agumented Giant -Erikas's Tower

-Orge Mage -From a bunch of them' and sliths near Erika's Tower

-Ur Basilisk -The Anama temple

-Glydden -Warrior Priest from Delis

 

I had the Alien Slime, not Slime Lord, but I got rid of it hwen I got the giant.

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Absouletly sweet ^ ^ . I dont do any of quest ussualy. i just started and almost finished with the slime one because im tryin to get Alien slime (alien lord thing).Ussually i just go around killing towns and summoning foul rats to kill the kittens for me laugh thnx for replying smile . Fefner 0 Loathed , HP:3088 :p

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-Alorael, who doesn't think that guessing which doomguards are hostile and which are copies of the contraband summoning is an important question. Part of the problem is that copies of the creature are set to the default setting, which means the duplicates are all hostile to your party. Only the original will be on your side, and its propensity towards creating an army of enemies hardly makes it a great help.
Gee... I never knew that. Could be why they kind of... um... turned against me all of a sudden. :rolleyes:

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In the Trilogy, I pretty much never used these spells, although they are indispensable in Blades. I think I had a Dervish, a Wizard, and possibly a Gazer or Mung Demon at some point or another. I never found them to be worthwhile to Simulacrum back up, though; on the rare occasions when I felt the need to summon something, I could always use Arcane Summon instead.

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I'd say I have a good batch of simulacrums in my Torment file. Power Crystal, Drake Lord, Dark Wyrm, and a Haakai. In torment these come in handy quite a bit for me.

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Originally written by ditech2:
Back in the Exile 3 days, I did h** e*** once to be able to summon a doom gaurd. Sadly I think I accidentally hit one and they just kept on popping up. Soon, I not only was surrounded by a legion of doom gaurds, but I couldn't tell which was hostile and which wasn't. So, I'd assume not allowing people to capture doom guards was for good reason.

What did happen after that unfortunate incident? My computer took forever to do anything and I ended up restarting my computer.
Doomguards are hostile by default so every Doomguard split from the one you summoned should have been hostile.

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Well, back in Exile simulclarum was actually useful.

 

In Avernum, it just got worse and worse.

 

By the time you get to Avernum 3, I personally thought the spell was next to useless.

 

Theres no point summoning weak creatures with this spell, and strong creatures not only require large chunks of SP, they dont last long (I havnt played A3 in a long time, but IIRC I stopped using Simulclarum after I realised the creatures I summoned tended to dissappear after 3 rounds. Actually, that was probably A2.), and they have practically no real effect on a given battle (You can just slaughter everything yourself). Plus, unlike Exile, you cant capture the soul of particularly cool creatures (eg dragons), not to mention that the spell is a hostile one, which notches its usefullness down yet another level.

 

Having said that, I have just checked my save file and I had:

Gazer

Dark Wyrm

Hakaai

Efreet

 

IIRC I practically never used them, but it seems plenty of other people use them to great effect. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

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In my A2 game I have the evil wizard Grazerl(I have no idea how to spell his name). It's cool becouse I use him to fight himself.

 

Other then that I never use the spell.

 

Yes Sasuke, the spell seemed not to be needed in A3.

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yeah I agree not the most useful spell, but I reckon its best use is pitting monsters of your choice against each other.

How else could you answer the age old question who would win in a fight between a cat and a dog, or how long a child would last against a drake lord.

 

By the way I think my list was

guard

darkwurm

crystal soul

kitten

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The only time I remember using the capture soul and simulacrum spell was right after I got them in A3, on that spiny worm you can find in the same Vahatni settlement.

 

It was fun to just summon it against weak creatures if i got bored, but i never bothered to capture any strong or usefull monsters

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I got Capture Soul and Simulacrum in Ghikra, when I was given the Soul Crystal as a reward. My Mage is Level 9 (this is not my main game, but an unregistered one on another computer), but the two spells are greyed out - even in combat. I thought I'd capture the Alien Slime, but had to kill it instead.

 

What have I missed?

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Just for fun i captured some cows in the crystal and i used my 2 mages to keep summoning them in a fight i had against some giant lizards. Eventually i had about 20 cows on my side and the lizards were eventually overpowered. Mwahahaha... fear my cow army!!!!

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ever heard about a "dead topic-raiser"? well, you have just become one.

i think that cow-thingy you did there was quite cool, but anyway, dont post into a thread thats more than a week old.

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Up yours, Ferox! I thought Corpus Stalker made an amusing post and on-topic.

 

Why start a new thread, just to keep you happy? Are you paying for bandwidth?

 

May I suggest you read Corpus Stalker's tagline. The one about 'diplomacy'... laugh

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Thread necromancy is only bad if the necromancer has nothing new to add to a topic. In this case, I'm pretty sure it was fine.

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well thats new tunes. last couple of times i witnessed a similar action, all hell broke out. however.

the blue demon is a haakai. the one in the tom is (an?) adze-haakai, if i remember correctly.

in case you mean the mung demon, i think its... well i dont know. im not a fan of it. dont ask me why.

@gunshy: watch your tongue.

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I've found a cheat site describing the space in the saved game where the captured monsters are stored, and fiddled around with monsters a little... With 9 Erikas, 4 Ur-Basilisk and a Drake Lord, the game can get rather fun for a short time.

 

Just one advice: Never try it with Doomguards. When they split, the copy is set to default - ie. hostile. I summoned five of them, one of them split and they proceeded to take each other (and my party) apart.

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I was disappointed by the Dark Wyrms I summoned; they just stood there and didn't do anything. If they had fought my enemies as hard as they fought me they'd be great.

 

The Mung Demon worked fairly well. I'd just as soon rely on the Arcane Summon spell and let whatever comes up work for me.

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The best monster i put on the crystal was a ogre mage, a giant slug, a nephil archer and a townswomen laugh

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now i remember something.

back when i was playing the a3 demo (e3 too?), i used to capture that drake lord or whatever hes called whos hiding in a secret lava tunnel in the mountains in sw valorim. i think the entrance was on the north side, a bit east of the mines.

hes quite a killer though and a nice guy. he will ask you for aid twice, i think. if you do so, youll get a reward, but i dont remember what kind of reward.

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If you help him the Drake Lord gives you a plate armor and tells you to go away.

 

If you kill him you find a plate armor in his lair.

 

The plate armor was rusted or something like that.

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Originally written by Nelo Angelo, The Great Squirrel God:
To my recallation I had:

Drake lord, Empire Dervish, Vampire, and Alien Slime.

Anyone else killed Erika yet?
Who the HELL would want to kill erika?!? madmadmadmadmadmadmadmad

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Micael, grow up.

 

Hrm. Would it be possible to cast Capture Soul on Erika and be able to produce a copy at will? Judging from BoA, she's an independent monster type. She also might not be capturable, judging from BoA, but it's a thought.

 

I mean, without hacking.

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Originally written by Nelo Angelo, The Great Squirrel God:
Anyone else killed Erika yet?
Yuppers. =>

EDIT:To Kel: I just tryed to get Erika and I couldn't. Without haking that is.

Just as a not to everyone, DON'T USE CLOUD OF BLADES ON DOOMGUARDS!!!! I did this and befor I knew it, the room was full of doomguards and they were poring in from outside the roome too. Story made short, I died.

I did all this in A3 just so you know.

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Originally written by Ferox:
ever heard about a "dead topic-raiser"? well, you have just become one.
i think that cow-thingy you did there was quite cool, but anyway, dont post into a thread thats more than a week old.
... er, why not? i run a forum of my own, and from a moderating and reading standpoint i far prefer it if someone digs up an old topic rather than just posting a new one repeating what's already been discussed. it shows they've made an effort to find the answers rather than just begging for someone to tell them the answer without even bothering to look, for one thing. i'll even merge them together if two threads with the same topic are posted. less redundancy, less clutter, all the answers in one tidy place... not everyone will have something to add to a topic all at the SAME EXACT TIME, after all.

to stay on topic, my list and a question.

in Avernum 3 I am not done yet, but currently have:

-Demon

-Naga

-Ice Drake

- and a lame wraith which i captured to test it out...

and i don't find it useless. sure, in your average random encounter, it is, but not when you are facing a great number of foes, like when you drop the barrier between the giants and Trogo's, or whatever... then again, i can't cast arcane summon yet, so...

my question is, I am facing a Dark Wyrm, and i would like to capture it. i want it to replace the wraith, cus it's useless. but it seems to want to overwrite everything BUT that one >.< is there any trick to getting it to overwrite a specific slot, or is it random, or what?

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The general idea, Jill, is that most resurrected topics look like this . That is, someone pointlessly revives a topic while adding nothing new and creates more spam on these already too-taxed boards.

 

Reviving a topic when you have something genuinely new and relevant to add is fine. It's just that most people don't do that.

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Dear Pink and Pretty Lord,

Duly noted, but an answer to Jill's question about overwriting slots in the Simulacrum would be mightily appreciated. :p

 

(Geez, I just took an off-topic whipping in Gebra. Those Mad Monks are - well, mad! Sorry, back to the topic.) wink

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