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Avernums how many people do you prefer to use in each of the Avernum games?


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I've played all the games with a full party. After doing Avernum 4 as a singleton in torment, I'm going to go back and try the others as singletons. It's easier the first time through to use a full party to cover sloppy playing. You can usually recover from mistakes and there are more slots to carry all that loot.

 

I've always gone with custom characters since I haven't found a good set of pregenerated ones. The hedge wizard seems the closest to what I would do for a spellcaster.

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Berserker's not bad, but I use four customs. It's hard to make an abusive mage-priest without customizing and most of the classes use their extra points on useless things like Throwing and Underwater Basket Weaving.

 

—Alorael, who will never attempt to use reed javelins again.

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I'm getting a feeling that Dikiyoba likes priests.

 

I like to have 4 characters each of whom specialises in 2 things, which I mix and match from among pole, melee, bows, assassination, mage, priest, potions and lockpicking. In other words pretty much like the pre-fab party but with a little bit less redundancy.

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Let's see... I've used the full four nearly every time. Up to A4, it went tank, archer/rogue, priest, mage. Fairly boring. At BoA, I started diversifying by mixing in magic with the tank and archer.

 

By the time I hit A4, second time through I just used four magic-focused PCs and dominated. Sadly, my interest had flagged in a second run about halfway through.

 

But going back to A2 and 3, I tried something rather fun. Start with a singleton chock-full of personality, then pick up the other NPCs as I went. It was a fun method.

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I create my party with each character doing a diferent thing like:

Berserker(For fight and leadership), Rogue(For disarming and bows), Cleric(Priest spells and first aid) and a Sorcerer(Mage spells and potions)

or

Archer(Range attacks), Rebel(Disarming and lore), Shaman(Fight, priest spells) and a Hedge Wizard(Both spells and potions)

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the same way you develop a relationship to a car or your comics. or your girlfriend. but thats another story.

 

it appears to me that effectiveness mostly cuts down the fun. one of the best parties ive ever played was an all-warrior party. 2 sliths (pole), 2 nephils (melee). all have bows, lore etc blabla, which adds up really well. as a variant, all had priest lvl 1 and mage lvl 3, but healing, curing, blessing, light and hasting. of course thats problematic later, without diving restoration and divine warrior, but there you go.

 

edit: btw, what the hell is up with the poll? the numbers on the second questions cant be right.

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Originally written by Wadge:
Hi.
I wanna try playing Avernum with only one custom character (à la Elder Scrolls series) but I can't quite figure out how to make a viable one.
Your best bet would be to give that character the Natural Mage and Strong Will traits. Because the last thing you need is one easily-encumbered spellcaster with a tendency to get paralyzed.

Generally speaking, when you play with just one character, you get a lot of experience really quickly, and then it levels off after a while. So you should be able to reach a stable character build pretty quickly.

Oh, and if you want to learn more, I'd advise using the Search function on the boards and entering 'singleton'.
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I prefer 4 custom people. That way, I have an easier time training them the way I like them; I train all 4 to be both priests and mages. It's expensive, I know, but worth it, especially towards the endgame. I also give all 4 the "Natural Mage" trait, making their spells inherently more powerful at the beginning.

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I prefer 4 customs.

 

A Fighter-Priest, an Archer Mage, a Cleric-Mage, and a Mage-Cleric. Add in Divine Touch on all of them, give the fighter Elite Warrior, the Archer Beastmaster, and the Mage/Clerics Natural Mage...

 

For some weird reason they just don't get close enough to me to really hurt... Can't imagine why though wink .

 

- Archmagus Micael

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-X- usually has four Slithzerikai, two are Spearmen who morph into Spearmen / minor Priests (One of the spearmen is a miniscule Mage as well), A Cleric / Useful Skill person. And a Mage / Archer. -X- also occaisonally has a party of four pure Archers And, even rarer, a singleton Mage. Once, -X- tried a lone warrior, but needed those multiple target / area of effect spells.

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I always take the characters I'm given, changing only names, appearances and race to make sure I have at least one of each race. Then I just character editor the hell out of them all. I never lose.

 

So... this topic was successfully resurrected? Come on oldbies, I would have thought you'd jump at the chance to scold whoever for posting here two months late! Don’t you thrive on that kind of thing?

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Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:
Then I just character editor the hell out of them all. I never lose.
Hm... not really something to be proud of.

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Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:
So... this topic was successfully resurrected? Come on oldbies, I would have thought you'd jump at the chance to scold whoever for posting here two months late! Don’t you thrive on that kind of thing?
Well, you see... it was revived by someone who had an actual question. Granted, some people failed to pick up on this and started the topic back up again... but it seems to have the elements of a discussion again. But yes, you're right.

Bad newbies. Bad. :p
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Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:
Bet I had just as much, if not more fun than you did.
Ah, but I bet you spent less time having just as much fun as me. Thus, I come out ahead by spending more time with said fun, assuming a fairly constant rate of fun per time unit when compared between our playing styles.

As your sig says, "You Lose." :p

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Originally written by Tyranicus.:
Gah! I thought this was a new topic until I read one of my own posts. :p
I hate that realization.
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Thanks.

Before I forget : I'm french, give me a break laugh

A good willing french newbie to whom the word "singleton" wouldn't have been a fisrt choice as an entry in the search engine (even though as I browse through the previous posts right now I see Randomizer used the term).

 

As Rent-an-Ihrno said, I find it difficult to care for a party of four. Plus I'd rather have one weak character going stronger and stronger (again, à la Elder scrolls) than four characters that constantly have to rely on each other.

However I've played Avernum some time ago with four characters and I had troubles staying alive while encountering foes so I had to ask for strong tips if I was to play with only one guy (one girl actually).

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Bah, don't apologise, the search function is pretty useless at the best of times. Not only that, but since a certain recent piece of sabotage, searches have become even less reliable.

 

Also, you do get a certain amount of credit for being French. In fact the genius combination of croissant and coffee for breakfast gives you a LOT of credit in my book. Mmm, croissants.

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Originally written by Wadge:
Before I forget : I'm french, give me a break laugh
A good willing french newbie to whom the word "singleton" wouldn't have been a fisrt choice as an entry in the search engine (even though as I browse through the previous posts right now I see Randomizer used the term).
Completely understandable. I actually didn't know the term when I first started playing, either.

Yay for people who post more than once!
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Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:
So... this topic was successfully resurrected? Come on oldbies, I would have thought you'd jump at the chance to scold whoever for posting here two months late! Don’t you thrive on that kind of thing?
The rule, which you, in your infinite wisdom, have not grasped, is the following (and it bears repeating every now and then): it is generally considered bad manners to revive a topic without anything genuinely new and useful to add or ask.

This person did in fact have something genuinely new and useful to ask (sort of), so this topic revival was fine. Woe betide those who virtually never have anything useful to say, though (and you know who you are).
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Originally written by Ephesos:
As your sig says, "You Lose." :p
I never lose! Contemplate this: while you were still playing Avernum, I cheated, got done early, and moved on to other, equally fun games. So really, we may have had the same amount of fun, but I had the more well rounded gaming experience. Thus, I come out on top, I am the Emperor.
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That's assuming equal fun per time. I'll accept that assumption since it's too subjective to argue, but then there's another problem. You're getting less time per game, so you're actually paying more per unit of fun.

 

—Alorael, who gets more fun per time, more time per game, and more game per fun.

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Originally written by Archimandrite Micawber:
Also, you do get a certain amount of credit for being French. In fact the genius combination of croissant and coffee for breakfast gives you a LOT of credit in my book. Mmm, croissants.
Actually I shy away from butter-based bakery. Makes me fart so bad.

I got my ass whooped yesterday by 5 or 7 bandits and 2 giant lizards while heading north from fort duvno so a party of four sounds more and more appealing to me.
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Originally written by Kryten:
Just a question, that is slightly related, has any one ever made a singleton with only luck (not counting the skills you get for free [herb finding] or the ones you can buy [bMaster, Anatomy etc.])?
This would be much more fun in Exile, where high luck can make you practically invincible. It'd be fairly easy to start a PC out with 5 luck (giving him a better than even chance of escaping death) and still have him be reasonably effective in combat.
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