QW - Endgame Code

[Randomizer]

This isn't a complete list since I haven't been able to determine what 5 of the 12 letter position are caused by in the game. I gave up after trying different dialogue options when you return to see Queen Sharyn, leaving different dragons alive, and favored nation status. I listed letters I've seen, but still don't know what they correspond to.

 

1st letter - unknown

- possible letters: a, b, c, e, f, g, k, l, o. p, q, r,  x, y

2nd letter - Queen Sharyn's dialogue

- d return to Haven

- e leisure life

- f to serve

- g to lead afterwards

3rd letter - unknown

- possible letters:h, i, j, k, l

4th letter - unknown

- possible letters: f, n

5th letter - unknown

- possible letters n, p

6th letter - unknown

- possible letters: b, d, e, f, g, i, k, l, p, u, v, y

7th letter - Dreams in Nisse Refuges

- a is no dreams bought

- b is at least one dream

8th letter - Nisse reaction and deals

- a Calimity returns

- b take deal at the tower's bottom level

- c take wish for leisure life

- d take wish to serve 

- f take wish to lead

- g take wish for a century of control

- h Total victory

9th letter - Sutter's reaction to what you tell the Queen or dialogue with him

- b serve

- g takeover as leader

- h serve

- n ?

- q takeover

10th letter - Utak faction

- r Brokk

- s Borgen

11th letter - Ahriel faction

- o Trench Town

- p Blessed

12th letter - The Vol faction

- o Mascha

- n Owen

[ladyonthemoon]

How courageous!

 

It seems that I've lost mine; I'll have to replay the game if I want to carry on the adventure.

[TriRodent]

4 hours ago, ladyonthemoon said:

 

It seems that I've lost mine; I'll have to replay the game if I want to carry on the adventure.

 

I saved mine in a text file with a (basic) description of who I supported, what I did (as I had multiple games with testing) & then saved the text file into the QW folder so that I can find it/them again in a couple of years.

 

Too late for you this time around I realize, but for anyone who wanders into the thread before their endgame...

 

[Ess-Eschas]

For the record, ladyonthemoon, you should be able to recover your code simply by playing through from your last autosave. That will likely place you a few minutes from the end, given all the travel that goes on in the endgame, so you'll only have to play the game for a few minutes, skipping through some dialogue, to recover its end state.

Why not do it now, and record the code for your later use as TriRodent suggests?

[ladyonthemoon]

 1 hour ago, TriRodent said:

Too late for you this time around I realize, but for anyone who wanders into the thread before their endgame...

 

26 minutes ago, Ess-Eschas said:

Why not do it now, and record the code for your later use as TriRodent suggests?

Thanks for your suggestions and encouragements! 😉

 

Actually, I was wrong, I haven't lost my code. It was in my save folder. My confusion came from the fact that I'm using Linux now and I played QW under Windows. When I want to save important things, I generally store them on an external drive but, this time, I forgot to do it. Since I had to start Windows 7 this morning, I found it. If  @Randomizer wants to give it a try, here it is:

 

[Corylea]

I got an H for the 3rd letter, so you can add that to your list of possibilities. :-)

 

[skoobadive]

I got y for the 6th letter. Thanks for making this post!

[Mechalibur]

Anyone have theories on what the unknown letters might represent? Your various tracked reputations (like how nice vs brutal you are, how much your mom likes you, etc.) might be involved in some of those.

 

The 1st and 6th letters are especially interesting since they seem to have so many possibilities. I wonder if they correspond to something that has a wide range of possibilities, such as time passed.

[Slawbug]

They could also encode multiple variables.  Some of the other letters don't look like that at all, but it would explain why the 9th letter in particular has (1) such scattered letter options, and (2) multiple options for the same observed variable.

[TriRodent]

It could also just be Jeff screwing with us.  Putting in random letters that mean absolutely nothing.  On otherwise boring evenings he comes here, glass of carbonated adult beverage in hand, & cackles with evil glee over the various head scratching going on here trying to figure it out...

[Randomizer]

I tried seeing if not killing certain monsters like dragons made a difference, but it wasn't that.

[vnpowa]

Just finished QW and got "rfifpbahbron" so that would be another new letter for 1st and 6th position.

 

I hope we get some feedback on this once QW2 is released just so we can experience it without having to restart the first game ten thousdand times xD

 

[Mechalibur]

I get the feeling it will be easier to work backward to figure out what they mean once QW2 comes out.

 

...Although I get the feeling some of the codes may end up doing nothing. It's very possible Spiderweb wanted to capture a number of variables just in case, but may not actually find a use for them during development.

[Slawbug]

Or may just affect one piece of text at the end of the second game.  Who knows.

[Sudanna]

But how can I ensure that that one piece of text is exactly what I want it to be?????

[ladyonthemoon]

6 hours ago, Sudanna said:

But how can I ensure that that one piece of text is exactly what I want it to be?????

You can't, you'll have to trust Jeff on that... :)

[vnpowa]

During the game I've thought about a couple of possible situations that could justify having an impact for next games, like supporting the arts (being a patron, expressing approval of Blessed art), allowing the use of Elixir by Haven's Army and not recriminating against Chief Adam's use of Elixir, through the small trials with Miranda becoming known as a merciless/greedy/benevolent commander...

 

It'll probably be easier to see what changes directly in QW2 but I'll still hope for a reveal of what each letter does once the game is out.

[Mechalibur]

We'll probably be able to see what dialogue options are changed from the script folders. It might not be easy to tie it back to the action in QW1, but we should at least be able to see what all the potential dialogues are.

[Randomizer]

Based on how Jeff likes to reuse previous work, we are using the same general map with a few new dungeons. The endgame code will give which factions are in control of the three lands when we start. How much time has past will be the major point in whether we see any returning characters.

 

I should see about replaying the game from a save before some other decision points like the Elixir use in order to see if that changes an unknown code letter. Although since I did the same choice for that each game, I don't think that is it. They are more likely some reputation score regardless on which side you picked.

[Mechalibur]

Same map? I figured QW2 would be in a completely different part of the world, especially with how the ending mentions you never see Sacramentum again.

[Randomizer]

45 minutes ago, Mechalibur said:

 you never see Sacramentum again.

All that means is the first game character isn't the the second game's player's character.

[Slawbug]

I don't know if I buy that.  I feel like if Sacramentum were intended to be a multi-game location, more attention would have been paid to individual characters.

 

Randomizer, you say "Based on how Jeff likes to reuse previous work" but that isn't actually how he operates at all.  Outside of Exile/Avernum, which was designed as an enduring game location way back in 1994, he's never reused previous locations en masse.  Geneforge and Avadon never do.

[Randomizer]

Well considering who we faced in the endgame and that this is the first place the empire dealt with them, it is logical that in at last a hundred years they appear again.

 

Edit - Why would the endgame code care about the factions if they weren't going to be used next time. This is far away from the other lands by boat.

[Slawbug]

Because they could be referenced -- by your family, or by the Nisse, who will presumably both appear in some form, and who would both have some access to most of this information.

 

What the heck would be the point of transferring the PC's reactions to the Queen and to Sutter if the PC isn't also in the second game?

 

I'm also just trying to imagine a QW style game, with it's clear-areas-set-up-forts-acquire-resources gameplay, on the same map as QW.  That would be an immense rehash, in a way that did not apply to an Exile II style game.

 

Finally, the endgame code feels a lot like a throwback to games like Ultima and Wizardry -- which Jeff has repeatedly cited as an influence -- where you could actually transfer your party (just the PC, in Ultima's case) from one game to the next, often with nerfs so you didn't start at max power.

 

I can't imagine there are going to be huge gameplay differences based on the code -- Jeff never really branches gameplay until the very end -- and this seems like an awful lot of trouble to go to just to set up slightly different dialogue about "the royal who was here 100 years ago" or whatever.

[vnpowa]

With the mention of Sharyn's "3 big mistakes" during her earlier reign with Sacramentum being one I assumed with that we would get 3 Queen's Wish games each dealing with one of those in unique regions with our initial protagonist being the "troubleshooter" to Sutter's "heir/successor" and Delia's "sage/advisor".

 

Also having the story being wildly different due to our earlier choice could complicate QW2 and if we had to use decisions from both games to create the story for QW3 (if it happens) would be extremely taxing for the size of the Spiderweb team.

 

My guess would be the decisions would influence resources available (sided with Vol/Borgen? More resources at the start or provided by shipments), how Haven is perceived in the rest of the world (Subjugator vs Uplifter) and the perception of our protagonist that could influence how other important NPC's would act (accept our word if we're know as trustworthy or making us do extra quests if we're a whining spoiled brat).

 

If I dream a bit higher I could see the vassals being used as reinforcements for tough fights.

Need a swap cleared? A company of Ukatish swamp runners would be good to have.
Rebels are hiding a forest? Ask your Ahriel plantworkers to talk the trees into eating them.

 

 

[Slawbug]

Per the other topic, we can now answer this question:

  

6 hours ago, Mechalibur said:

The land it takes place in is called The Rokaj (or The Ro for short), which will have 5 provinces. From the description, it once again looks like we'll be playing Haven Royalty, although it's not quite confirmed if it will be the same protagonist as the first game.

 

[Mechalibur]

Yep, and the description makes me think it's going to be the same character, although I suppose there's always the possibility of this taking place in the future and you're playing as some other Haven royal.

[TriRodent]

The problem with it being set off in the future is the name of the game - too far out & Suter (potentially) takes over.  I'm fairly sure that 'you' are going to be the same as from QW1, especially as you did such a good job troubleshooting things the first time around...

 

Now QW3 I could see being set a little bit further into the future, especially if Queen Mom has died & there's now a power struggle between Suter & the now much more competent 'you'

[Mechalibur]

Kickstarter confirms it will be the same character. Additionally, Spiderweb Software added this comment to the kickstarter: "When you enter the code, Queen's Wish 2 will tell you what actions are being carried forward."

[Amira The Hot Potato]

hum. I forgot about mine. It's bfkfpkahbsoo

[Rhinestone Jedi]

wflfpkahbron

nflfpbahbron

uflfppahbron

iflfpwahbron

lflfpgahbron

-all of these codes were the same save file and same exact convo with the Queen. i knelt, waited on her first coughing fit, and helped her on her second.

Spoiler

decisions made in the above convo:

1. kneel

2. wait

3. there is much i want to tell you.

4. i am done with sacramentum, i am home.

5. what do you want from me. 

6. step forward to help her 

7. why wasn't i told this was going on

8. all right.

9. i wish to continue serving haven

10. i would be most grateful.

 

 

Could any of those unknowns have to do with character gender/skin/hair/face? If the next game lets you play a continuation, "what you look like" may be important.

 

I was a light skinned princess with short dark hair.

No dreams, decided to serve, total victory. owen, trench, brokk.  All dragons dead.

 

lflfptahbron

dflfpmahbron

nflfprahbron

same save file, only difference is my discussion with the queen:

-i asked her what is wrong instead of kneeling

 

nflfpnahbron

same thing, only difference

-i remained standing instead of kneeling

 

I'm guessing between the first letter and sixth letter,

One of them measures your degree of court propriety or formality reputation, 

And one measures your relationship with mother or how she feels about you

(or maybe formality is naught to do with it, and both are some measure of your relationship with mother.  or maybe only the sixth letter measures your relationship with mother, and the first is a random "these letters mean the same thing" variable for something completely different)

 

lflfprahbron

exactly the same as first scenario except i tried to help her on her first coughing fit and she shot me the rage eyes. 

 

xflfpxahbron

exactly the same as the first scenario except, I didn't even help her on her second fit when she was about to fall. 

 

Let me offer a hypothesis.  Maybe the first letter measures formality or maybe something else, but whatever it measures, there are groups of letters that mean the same thing.  like the first five codes I listed, i saved right before the queen and had the exact same convo with her.  Whatever it is measuring, N, W, U, L, and I mean the same thing for sure, at least.  

 

And maybe the second measures your relationship with mother.  kbpg and w mean the same thing.   tm and r mean the same thing.  They're either equivalents (maybe Jeff wanted to keep us from figuring this out so he made several letters mean the same thing) or maybe, certain things only have a chance at impacting X reputation meter, instead of it being a surety.  Or maybe these are ranges.

 

In summary I wrote all this to get nothing conclusive. 

Except one thing.

 

If you have the same save file and same exact convo with the queen several times in a row you will still get many different codes on letters 1 and 6. 

 

 

Edited April 15, 2022 by Rhinestone Jedi

[Shadow Wulfe]

Finished it again last night. QW really aged well and I was pleasantly surprised again with it.

 

I got tflfpyahbron .

 

I said To Serve to Sharyn. Chose Trench, Brokk, and Owen. No dreams and got total victory over the abusive psychopaths, built all forts, collected all trophies. Helped Sharyn when she was about to fall, not with the first coughing fit. Was known as pro-Haven, mild but not too merciful. Brokk favored. 

[Randomizer]

Most dialogue choices don't affect the endgame code. You really need to read the scripts to see that. But you can't tell which ones are without looking.

 

I'm assuming the 1st and 6th letters are some reputation codes.

[Rhinestone Jedi]

On 4/28/2022 at 12:04 PM, Randomizer said:

 

I'm assuming the 1st and 6th letters are some reputation codes.

 

Agree, and my hypothesis is "this group of letters means one thing"   and "this group of letters means another thing" etc -- rather than one letter for each thing.  Perhaps an attempt by Jeff to prevent us from nailing it down too closely,  or maybe just one of those things.  Or maybe they're even ranges meant to add a little spice to the beginning of QW2 - to add some variability to how QW2 Sharyn sees you, even if you finish QW1 the exact same way.  Or maybe I'm overthinking it. Where's my coffee?

 

 

[ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε]

cflfpubhbsoo

 

i chose the trench, borgen and mascha, favored borgen. most of the dreams and killed out the nisse. was nice to everyone in the endgame but blocked sutters punch and said i want to serve haven all times

Edited May 19, 2022 by ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε
wrote brokk instead of borgen

[Faerie Storm]

some options not listed there that I have gotten in my games are:

first letter, I think this corresponds to how the respectful (or not) you are to your family when you return from sacrementium. 

can also be: d, s, t, w

 

2nd letter only got the options you have there.

 

3rd letter,  I think this corresponds to how the kind/violent scale of what the people of sarementium (and maybe your family) think about you.

I got the following 2 letters in 2 different games not listed in the origional post: g, h

 

4th letter, always got f not sure what this represents.

 

5th letter, not sure what this represents. always got p in this slot

 

6th letter, I think this corresponds to how the respectful (or not) you are to the court when you return from sacrementium

can also be the following letters: n,  o, r, t, u

 

7th letter, nisse dreams make sense cause I never bbought any ever and always got a

 

8th letter, always went for total victory and always got h so that seems right

 

9th letter, this seems to be serve or takeover but I only ever got q or b in this spot

 

10th, 11th, 12th letters are which faction put in charge of a vassal. I'd imagine there might be more letter options if you did not vassalize them though? Hard to say without playing them.

 

[Sudanna]

dflfpobhbron. The known letters so far line up with choices I made, though I might be the first person to get a d in #1. I was a medium-skin-tone low-weight prince with the long wavy black hair and the most neutral facial expression and the eyebrow scar. I never once referred to myself as a prince, but was otherwise appropriately formal. I was gentle to people and loyal to Haven. I defeated the Nisse without taking any wishes. I had their dreams, but not the final one, though it was offered. I asked to serve at the end.

[Amira The Hot Potato]

On 8/17/2021 at 11:34 PM, Amira The Hot Potato said:

hum. I forgot about mine. It's bfkfpkahbsoo

So the Queen's Wish 2 demo is out and when I put my code in, it said the following:

Spoiler

total victory over the nisse

didn't anger sutter

asked queen for a powerful position serving haven

won great victories in Sacramentum

 

Edited June 14, 2022 by Amira The Hot Potato

[Mechalibur]

It's possible Spiderweb wasn't sure which decisions would end up being relevant in the sequel and recorded more variables than actually needed. As far as I can tell, what happened to your vassals in Sacramentum doesn't really matter as far as the sequel is concerned.

[Randomizer]

From beta testing I can tell you that the decisions about which vassals you supported don't seem to make a difference. There are a few that do that aren't included in the 4 mentioned. What you did with the Nisse and some reputation ones change some dialogue.

 

Now looking ahead to QW2 endgame code, I 'm having more trouble figuring out what they mean. This was with taking more notes on what I did for major and some minor decisions plus doing exactly the same choices for what should make a difference for all my games. This was with already 10 endgame codes and more possible with changing just one dialogue choice that has three optionsin the final bit in the Palace..

[Ess-Eschas]

I think now might be the time for a friendly reminder.

 

I know it’s tempting in a thread like this, but testers really shouldn’t be discussing any details of Queen’s Wish 2 until the full game is released. The current demo release is only a temporary one, as part of a Steam event, and doesn’t count as the game’s official release. Jeff will let us know when that will be, but I imagine it won’t be for a few more months!

 

Discussing details before the game’s release is in contravention of the testing agreement. That’s because it can cause problems and confusion if details are leaked before they’re set in stone. Even though it’s late in the development cycle, details in the game are no doubt still being changed around. Probably more so now, due to the recent advert for Windows testers! So if material gets leaked that’s later changed, people who might later rely on that out-of-date material could get confused, or upset, or irritated. That’s not what we want!

 

So, testers, please let’s not discuss any details about the game until it’s actually released. We can save all that interesting, juicy gossip for release day!

[Kate]

I bought and slept through exactly one Nisse dream and I have no 'b' in my endgame code, so the description for 7th letter I guess is not entirely correct. My code was:
 

vghfpaahqron

I never used the Nisse portal services, I wonder if that plays in as well?

[Amira The Hot Potato]

@Randomizer can you start a QW2 endgame code thread?

[Randomizer]

4 hours ago, Amira The Hot Potato said:

@Randomizer can you start a QW2 endgame code thread?

I spent a week trying to figure out the QW2 endgame code with over a dozen game endings without getting a single letter. All I got was qw2 means Queen's Wish 2.

[Amira The Hot Potato]

On 9/10/2022 at 7:56 AM, Randomizer said:

I spent a week trying to figure out the QW2 endgame code with over a dozen game endings without getting a single letter. All I got was qw2 means Queen's Wish 2.

Understandable. I was going to start a thread and post my codes but out of respect I thought I'd ask

[Mechalibur]

Probably still makes sense to start a thread so people have a resource to take codes from if they lose theirs for QW3 😛

[mikeprichard]

Yeah, a dedicated thread would be helpful - there's at least one ongoing topic where others are already sharing their own codes (which I'm sure you saw), so maybe those could be copied over with the users' permission to one clearly labeled place for future reference.