Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Edit: I assume you're referring to the history 'book' Scipio, since our scenarios won't take Jeff's time. We could all write it together, send it to him for approval and he'd maybe put it up on the site. And the process of checking if the facts are right wouldn't take as long as writing the thing. Sounds interesting, doesn't it? Too bad I'm busy working on a big (4000 word) essay for school right now, or I'd try to do something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Daedalus Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 Sounds good to me. Who's up for it then? (Only those with good grammar and spelling need apply ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Zharrad Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 I might, I have plenty of free time now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 Me too actually. I still have a bit of work to do on the essay, but count me in anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Zharrad Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 Arn't Essays Fun!!, I'm glad I don't have to worry about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 I can be a historical/technical advisor, and I can write the part about the Anama War. Also, even though this will go nowhere publishing-wise, it's always good to have a resource posted online where people can take a look for reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Zharrad Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 Wow, already there are some people who like this idea. This could actually work. Though what do you mean by "Technical Advisor", Drakefyre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 I'll have the names of rulers of the Empire, the chronological order of all the events, whether certain technological advances were around at a given time, whether certain things were feasible, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 I might try an account of the Empire's early days - there doesn't seem much about that yet so I could be more or less creative. Are there any sources I have to stick to in that respect? Oh, and a geography would also be helpful, like a total world map with an explanation as to what each continent contains, what its climate is and so on. This would mainly be an aid to designers who want to be consistent with the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Zharrad Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 I could probably do the map of Valorim and Aizo as I already have a copy of these lying around . Though has anybody got any info I could look at on Vantanas and Pralgad as anything that would add to what I already have would be pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon The Almighty Doer of Stuff Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 AtG spanned all of Pralgad, so Stareye probably has one. As for Vantanas, I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Zharrad Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 Good, so I have a mspa of Aizo and Valorim on me, and Stareye might have a map of Pralgad. Does anyone know how I could contact him, And also is AtG non-linear in that I could wonder around the continent, if so I could probably make a map within the next few days-week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon The Almighty Doer of Stuff Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 You have to complete the quest in the first province. Then you can wander around freely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 A map of Vantanas: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Zharrad Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 Good and as I'm writing this the download for AtG is at 99%, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 Quote: Originally written by Arancaytar:I might try an account of the Empire's early days - there doesn't seem much about that yet so I could be more or less creative. Are there any sources I have to stick to in that respect? Just write it and then I'll tell you what's horribly wrong. Quote: Oh, and a geography would also be helpful, like a total world map with an explanation as to what each continent contains, what its climate is and so on. This would mainly be an aid to designers who want to be consistent with the world. Aizo is temperate grassland with large central mountain ranges and a few forests. Pralgrad is similar. Valorim is obvious. Vantanas is like the Amazon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Zharrad Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 you'd think there where deserts around the equitorial areas, anyway I now have everything I need to make the map except one thing, what is each continenets relative position to each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 Oh, and if you want a better map of Pralgrad: http://staff.desperance.net/alec/pralgad-politic.gif Ignore the colors - those are factions and not climate thingies. There are no equatorial areas on Ermarian except for part of Doston and a little bit of southern Aixo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 Placement of continents: Pralgrad is connected to Valorim by an isthmus. Aixo is east of the isthmus and Vantanas is south of Aixo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Zharrad Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 Got it, Ok, I'm gonna start the map now, It would probably take me a week at most, given the fact I have nothing as to do this week except on Tuesday Morning. I'll give you an update on progress tommorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Daedalus Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 I think we should split this thing into sections so that it's easier to write, and easier to refer to when (if ) it's finished. Here is my suggestion for a broad outline: Section I - Rise of the Empire Section II - The Discovery of Vantanas and Pralgad Section III - The Discovery of Valorim and The Anama War Section IV - The Contemporary Empire I know these names are a bit unwieldy but I just did them quickly to describe what I meant. Obviously these more general 'chunks' would be separated into subsections, but a general idea of the order of things is a good start. Also, what kind of length are we looking at here? How much are people prepared to write? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 The Anama War belongs in section II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 Where does the discovery of Avernum, the First Visitation, and the Avernum/Empire War fit in? And I'd think about 2 1/2 pages (1000-2000) is what I'm going to aim for - depending on how much time and material there is. And should the account be written from a biased point of view? An Empire historian? Or an Avernite? Or an impartial sage? Empire would be cool, but I fear that the bias would allow for little information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 All of those events you mention fit under category IV. I think category IV could be Hawthorne I to Hawthorne III (the one we assassinate in Exile I) along with Prazac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Donald Hebb Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Quote: Originally written by Drakefyre:Placement of continents: Pralgrad is connected to Valorim by an isthmus. Aixo is east of the isthmus and Vantanas is south of Aixo. kekekekekeke drakey makes a typo dire!!! ^_____________^ Pralgad is indeed connected to Valorim by an isthmus, but Aizo is SW of that isthmus, and Vantanas is east of Aizo. EDIT: PS, Arancaytar... The creation of the Empire is most undoubtedly documented quite well. You're a beta-tester of Bandits 2, you should know this as well. And that reminds me, have you even been playing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 What typo? It's Pralgrad. And yes, perhaps my placement of the continents is a bit off. And TM, I hope that your creation of the empire is not loony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Don't worry TM, I have been testing it. Even though I haven't sent more reports lately. And, how much time is spanned by this history? A few centuries or a thousand years? The reign of one emperor would probably be around half a century. Best thing is if we first make a list of emperors who have reigned since the birth of the Empire, it gives structure to the whole thing. So the list ends with: - Hawthorne III. - Prazac One more question: Is there a specific time reckoning (calendar) that the Empire or Avernum employs? Avernum would count time probably from the completion of The Castle or something. Is there any important event that the Empire measures time from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 The calendar used in E3 is calculated from the movement of the capital from Aizo to Pralgrad. There was a reign of Ironfist emperors from about 200-500. This was the time of the Anama War and the intial discovery of Valorim. Around 600, the Empire started their assault against Valorim Nephilim led by Ratbane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Zharrad Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Well I know Empress Tavhnan (Sp?) was reigning during AtG, and if each Emperor/ess reigns for approx 100, I would guess after Prazac there where 5-6 other Rulers then Tavhnan (Sp?) Is that map Drakefyre linked to of Pralgad the same as the one in AtG? I've played AtG to the point and am now ready to begin mapping it at, now I have several questions. 1 since the AtG is set 400 years after the Plagues, should I assume that most of it hasn't changed in that time, and also can anyone give me a rough date when the Keep of Tinraya was destroyed, along with Footracer. And also what Province/Sector is the istmus connected to as I have a rough map of both continents, but no way to connect them. Are all the continent the same relative size? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Vantanas and Pralgrad are smaller. The isthmus connects to Pralgrad about one section east of the center at the bottom. Look at the map I linked to. The map I have is not from AtG. I'd surmise that there were 15 emperors or empresses between Prazac and Tavhan. 100 years is too long - 20-40 is much more reasonable. Avernum 3 takes place in 833, so are there any dates in AtG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Zharrad Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Are AtG and the map similar though. AtG takes place in 1163 during the rule of Tavhnan, I think its Tavhnan the third though I have to check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 I'm not positive, but I would presume so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Zharrad Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 AtG is actually in 1274 IE More Info, Sol III was assansinated then his brother Ironclad I took the throne. And its Emperor Tahvan IV on the Throne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 That's right, it was Ironclad, not Ironfist. That line turned out to be quite long, like the Louis line in France. The Ironclad line cleansed Pralgrad of non-humans. Sol had tried to attack them, but they weren't strong enough. The ones on Aixo were taken care of from -150 to -50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Zharrad Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Whats the date of the construction of BlackCrag Fortress, Probably during the Reign of a Hawthorne as it was not settled that long before E/A3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 I'd put it at around 600 to 610 - it gave them a foothold for domination of Valorim. Tinraya and Footracer were probably destroyed in 832. EDIT: Rather, it may be as late as 650 as it may have taken them quite some time to clear out the Nephilim from Footracer/Monroe provinces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 To summarize: List of Emperors: Aizo was cleansed -150 to -50 b.P. - Sol I. - Sol II. - Sol III. Sol tried to attack Pralgrad, but was beaten back. Sol III. Was assassinated and his brother Ironclad took the throne - Ironclad I. - Ironclad II.Ironclads conquered/cleansed Pralgrad, discovered Valorim - Ironclad III. Cleansed Valorim??? Blackcrag fortress constructed about 650 a.P. - Hawthorne I. - Hawthorne II. - Hawthorne III. - Prazac (Empress) Tinraya/Footracer destroyed 832 by beasts Avernum 3 at 833 a.P. 5/6 rulers , 400 years after plagues Assume last three were - Tahvan I. - Tahvan II. - Tahvan III. At the Gallows in 1274 during reign of Tavhnan IV. - Tahvan IV. I'm assuming that consecutively numbered emperors reigned immediately after each other, for simplicity. Is that list approximately correct? If so, the next step I'm going to make is putting dates to each reign. Also, I'd suggest that we make a new topic either in the BoA or the BoE section for this. The original topic of this (A list of improvements wanted for BoA) is being veered away from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon The Almighty Doer of Stuff Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Ratbane was a clan of Nephilim, not an emperor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Whoops. That's how info gets distorted. Quote: Around 600, the Empire started their assault against Valorim Nephilim led by Ratbane. So I assumed the Empire was led by Ratbane, not the Nephilim. I did think it was a funny name for a human though... Okay, I edited Ratbane out. Was it Ironclad III. then who conquered Valorim? Oh, and I'm making a new topic for this now: " Leaders of the Empire? " Please post there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Your timeline is massively wrong. Check my reply in the other topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Currently working on correcting the timeline with the info you gave me in the other topic. I'll post the result later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk The Akeipas Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 What was the name of the Emperor mentioned in Valley of Dying Things who ruled a century earlier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 I searched for that in the Scenario Editor. Went through all the school levels looking for something remotely resembling a historical record. In the library, I found this dialogue special: Quote: This chamber is where all of the school's rarest and most valuable spell books were stored. They're gone now. There's nothing but several rows of bare pedestals and this official looking proclamation, pinned to the wall: "BY THE ORDER OF EMPEROR STEWART, MOST HIGH RULER OF THE EMPIRE. It is now officially decreed that the School of Magery, located in Skylark Vale, cease operations immediately. The deadline for ceasing of operations is one week from receipt of this proclamation. The school is to be sealed, and all magical texts returned to Empire custody or destroyed. The School is to be permanently sealed, and all students and faculty are to return to Empire custody. Anyone interfering with the carrying out of this order will be disciplined in the most severe way. A similar fate will await those entering the School later than one week from now. That is all." The proclamation is dated 130 years ago. Emperor Stewart has been dead for a century. Funny thing is, the dragon Pythras says she's been in the school for 127 years, so her time of capture would be three years after the closure of the school. Jeff obviously seems to have made a logical mistake there. It would be very interesting to know when the scenario takes place. My guess would be that Stewart reigns sometime between Prazac (Exile III) and Tahvan (At the Gallows, which was released *after* VoDT). The fact that Stewart has no number to his name would indicate he's the first of this line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk The Akeipas Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 Why would Valley of dying things be set so long after Exile/Avernum 3 this isn't the way Jeff does things. He obviously ruled before Hawthorne, just because it doesn't fit into your non-canon timeline doesn't mean you can mess with the canon timeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 Please refer to the timeline in the other topic, which is more up to date, and in which emperor Stewart has indeed been fitted in before the Hawthornes, assuming VoDT to be set 10 years after Exile III, in 843 a.P. By the way, the objective of what we're doing here is to make a canon timeline, since their doesn't seem to be any complete timeline yet - so we have to add certain things, be a bit creative, while at the same time we adjust it so it fits to what has been known before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer Dark Elf Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 Emperor Steward ruled 130 years before VoDT. The closing of the school would have been part of the Empire's crackdown on mages, bringing them all under more direct control. This was before the time in which the Exile/Avernum games are set. Hawthorne III ruled during Exile/Avernum I, and Hawthorne II before him. Assuming Hawthorne I ruled before Hawthorne II, Stewart would have ruled just before the Hawthornes, or with one or two Emperors in between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 That's what's in the timeline already, and it's even in that part of it that we all agree on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Nye Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 Quote: Originally written by Drakefyre:What typo? It's Pralgrad. Hi, sorry to barge in, but: *ahem*"THE LANDS OF THE EMPIRE" The Empire, blessed power over us all, controls the four known continents. Aizo [NB: not Aixo], the oldest, is the birthplace of the Empire although the ruling seat is now on the continent of Pralgad [NB: na na na boo boo!]. Vantanas is the smallest continent, but in many ways the richest, with its hot climate, fascinating fauna, and rich stores of gold and diamonds. And finally, there is the recently settled Valorim, which has a wild (though controlled) spirit. - Exile III Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 What about Doston? Is that unknown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Nye Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 I've never registered the Avernums, but as far as I know, Doston is never mentioned through out the Exile trilogy. If you're trying to compile only Vogel-created matter, don't include Doston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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