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Edit: I assume you're referring to the history 'book' Scipio, since our scenarios won't take Jeff's time. :p

 

We could all write it together, send it to him for approval and he'd maybe put it up on the site. smile And the process of checking if the facts are right wouldn't take as long as writing the thing.

 

Sounds interesting, doesn't it? laugh

 

Too bad I'm busy working on a big (4000 word) essay for school right now, or I'd try to do something... :p

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I might try an account of the Empire's early days - there doesn't seem much about that yet so I could be more or less creative. Are there any sources I have to stick to in that respect? wink

 

Oh, and a geography would also be helpful, like a total world map with an explanation as to what each continent contains, what its climate is and so on. This would mainly be an aid to designers who want to be consistent with the world. smile

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Originally written by Arancaytar:
I might try an account of the Empire's early days - there doesn't seem much about that yet so I could be more or less creative. Are there any sources I have to stick to in that respect? wink
Just write it and then I'll tell you what's horribly wrong.

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Oh, and a geography would also be helpful, like a total world map with an explanation as to what each continent contains, what its climate is and so on. This would mainly be an aid to designers who want to be consistent with the world. smile
Aizo is temperate grassland with large central mountain ranges and a few forests.

Pralgrad is similar.

Valorim is obvious.

Vantanas is like the Amazon.
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I think we should split this thing into sections so that it's easier to write, and easier to refer to when (if laugh ) it's finished. Here is my suggestion for a broad outline:

 

Section I - Rise of the Empire

Section II - The Discovery of Vantanas and Pralgad

Section III - The Discovery of Valorim and The Anama War

Section IV - The Contemporary Empire

 

I know these names are a bit unwieldy but I just did them quickly to describe what I meant. Obviously these more general 'chunks' would be separated into subsections, but a general idea of the order of things is a good start.

 

Also, what kind of length are we looking at here? How much are people prepared to write?

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Where does the discovery of Avernum, the First Visitation, and the Avernum/Empire War fit in?

 

And I'd think about 2 1/2 pages (1000-2000) is what I'm going to aim for - depending on how much time and material there is. smile

 

And should the account be written from a biased point of view? An Empire historian? Or an Avernite? Or an impartial sage? Empire would be cool, but I fear that the bias would allow for little information. :p

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Originally written by Drakefyre:
Placement of continents:

Pralgrad is connected to Valorim by an isthmus. Aixo is east of the isthmus and Vantanas is south of Aixo.
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drakey makes a typo dire!!!

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Pralgad is indeed connected to Valorim by an isthmus, but Aizo is SW of that isthmus, and Vantanas is east of Aizo.

EDIT: PS, Arancaytar... The creation of the Empire is most undoubtedly documented quite well. You're a beta-tester of Bandits 2, you should know this as well.

And that reminds me, have you even been playing it?
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Don't worry TM, I have been testing it. Even though I haven't sent more reports lately. :p

 

And, how much time is spanned by this history? A few centuries or a thousand years? The reign of one emperor would probably be around half a century.

 

Best thing is if we first make a list of emperors who have reigned since the birth of the Empire, it gives structure to the whole thing.

 

So the list ends with:

 

- Hawthorne III.

 

- Prazac

 

One more question:

 

Is there a specific time reckoning (calendar) that the Empire or Avernum employs? Avernum would count time probably from the completion of The Castle or something.

 

Is there any important event that the Empire measures time from?

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The calendar used in E3 is calculated from the movement of the capital from Aizo to Pralgrad.

 

There was a reign of Ironfist emperors from about 200-500. This was the time of the Anama War and the intial discovery of Valorim. Around 600, the Empire started their assault against Valorim Nephilim led by Ratbane.

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Well I know Empress Tavhnan (Sp?) was reigning during AtG, and if each Emperor/ess reigns for approx 100, I would guess after Prazac there where 5-6 other Rulers then Tavhnan (Sp?)

 

Is that map Drakefyre linked to of Pralgad the same as the one in AtG?

I've played AtG to the point and am now ready to begin mapping it at, now I have several questions. 1 since the AtG is set 400 years after the Plagues, should I assume that most of it hasn't changed in that time, and also can anyone give me a rough date when the Keep of Tinraya was destroyed, along with Footracer. And also what Province/Sector is the istmus connected to as I have a rough map of both continents, but no way to connect them.

 

Are all the continent the same relative size?

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Vantanas and Pralgrad are smaller.

 

The isthmus connects to Pralgrad about one section east of the center at the bottom. Look at the map I linked to.

 

The map I have is not from AtG.

 

I'd surmise that there were 15 emperors or empresses between Prazac and Tavhan. 100 years is too long - 20-40 is much more reasonable.

 

Avernum 3 takes place in 833, so are there any dates in AtG?

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To summarize:

 

List of Emperors:

 

Aizo was cleansed -150 to -50 b.P.

  • - Sol I.
  • - Sol II.
  • - Sol III. Sol tried to attack Pralgrad, but was beaten back. Sol III. Was assassinated and his brother Ironclad took the throne
  • - Ironclad I.
  • - Ironclad II.Ironclads conquered/cleansed Pralgrad, discovered Valorim
  • - Ironclad III. Cleansed Valorim???

Blackcrag fortress constructed about 650 a.P.

  • - Hawthorne I.
  • - Hawthorne II.
  • - Hawthorne III.
  • - Prazac (Empress)

Tinraya/Footracer destroyed 832 by beasts

Avernum 3 at 833 a.P.

5/6 rulers , 400 years after plagues

Assume last three were

  • - Tahvan I.
  • - Tahvan II.
  • - Tahvan III.

At the Gallows in 1274 during reign of Tavhnan IV.

  • - Tahvan IV.

I'm assuming that consecutively numbered emperors reigned immediately after each other, for simplicity.

Is that list approximately correct? smile

If so, the next step I'm going to make is putting dates to each reign.

Also, I'd suggest that we make a new topic either in the BoA or the BoE section for this. The original topic of this (A list of improvements wanted for BoA) is being veered away from. :p

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Whoops. laugh

 

That's how info gets distorted.

 

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Around 600, the Empire started their assault against Valorim Nephilim led by Ratbane.
So I assumed the Empire was led by Ratbane, not the Nephilim. I did think it was a funny name for a human though... :p

 

Okay, I edited Ratbane out. Was it Ironclad III. then who conquered Valorim?

 

Oh, and I'm making a new topic for this now: " Leaders of the Empire? " Please post there. wink

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I searched for that in the Scenario Editor. Went through all the school levels looking for something remotely resembling a historical record. In the library, I found this dialogue special:

 

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This chamber is where all of the school's rarest and most valuable spell books were stored. They're gone now. There's nothing but several rows of bare pedestals and this official looking proclamation, pinned to the wall:

 

"BY THE ORDER OF EMPEROR STEWART, MOST HIGH RULER OF THE EMPIRE.

 

It is now officially decreed that the School of Magery, located in Skylark Vale, cease operations immediately. The deadline for ceasing of operations is one week from receipt of this proclamation.

 

The school is to be sealed, and all magical texts returned to Empire custody or destroyed. The School is to be permanently sealed, and all students and faculty are to return to Empire custody.

 

Anyone interfering with the carrying out of this order will be disciplined in the most severe way. A similar fate will await those entering the School later than one week from now. That is all."

 

The proclamation is dated 130 years ago. Emperor Stewart has been dead for a century.

Funny thing is, the dragon Pythras says she's been in the school for 127 years, so her time of capture would be three years after the closure of the school. Jeff obviously seems to have made a logical mistake there. :p

 

It would be very interesting to know when the scenario takes place. My guess would be that Stewart reigns sometime between Prazac (Exile III) and Tahvan (At the Gallows, which was released *after* VoDT). The fact that Stewart has no number to his name would indicate he's the first of this line.

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Please refer to the timeline in the other topic, which is more up to date, and in which emperor Stewart has indeed been fitted in before the Hawthornes, assuming VoDT to be set 10 years after Exile III, in 843 a.P.

 

By the way, the objective of what we're doing here is to make a canon timeline, since their doesn't seem to be any complete timeline yet - so we have to add certain things, be a bit creative, while at the same time we adjust it so it fits to what has been known before. wink

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Emperor Steward ruled 130 years before VoDT. The closing of the school would have been part of the Empire's crackdown on mages, bringing them all under more direct control. This was before the time in which the Exile/Avernum games are set. Hawthorne III ruled during Exile/Avernum I, and Hawthorne II before him. Assuming Hawthorne I ruled before Hawthorne II, Stewart would have ruled just before the Hawthornes, or with one or two Emperors in between.

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Originally written by Drakefyre:
What typo? It's Pralgrad.
Hi, sorry to barge in, but:

*ahem*
"THE LANDS OF THE EMPIRE"

The Empire, blessed power over us all, controls the four known continents. Aizo
[NB: not Aixo], the oldest, is the birthplace of the Empire although the ruling seat is now on the continent of Pralgad [NB: na na na boo boo!].

Vantanas is the smallest continent, but in many ways the richest, with its hot climate, fascinating fauna, and rich stores of gold and diamonds. And finally, there is the recently settled Valorim, which has a wild (though controlled) spirit.


- Exile III
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