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Nevermind I found the Links through the chat. 

 

Anyways, So any new scenarios anyones found really interesting? and exciting?  Came back from being around 2 years ago and sadly came to find out www.truesite4blades.com no longer functions to connect at all. Any Ideas where to be able to find the entire scenario archive?

 

And I can't find a version that works for Vista. text fails to load in etc. I need the 2013 build but its link no longer functions?

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I had a build that Minstrel gave me years ago it was in a 7z. Can't seem to find it anylonger. It ran perfectly on any operating system. Text and everything showed

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None of the calref links work or anything. What happened to everything? Did it all get moved or something? I remember BoE worked on any operating system i used for with Compatibility options with the CBoE Installer linked above these threads

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I guess both CalRef and TrueSite are down unfortunately... and I'm not sure if there's another place that hosts all the scenarios. The download links on my site still work, but I don't have any stable builds up there.

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4 minutes ago, Celtic Minstrel said:

I guess both CalRef and TrueSite are down unfortunately... and I'm not sure if there's another place that hosts all the scenarios. The download links on my site still work, but I don't have any stable builds up there.

Let me try Wayback Machining Truesite I'll see what i can find

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Truesite exists in the wayback machine. But the downloads were never archived n the machine unfortunately

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ADoS: Is this where you're putting them now or was that already there?

 

Could we get a brief (one or two sentence) description of each scenario in that list (including the scenario's actual title)? I'd like to insert said description into the "Description" column on that page. (It'd probably be better to have a proper index.html, but adding a description would be better than doing nothing.)

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2 minutes ago, Celtic Minstrel said:

ADoS: Is this where you're putting them now or was that already there?

 

Could we get a brief (one or two sentence) description of each scenario in that list (including the scenario's actual title)? I'd like to insert said description into the "Description" column on that page. (It'd probably be better to have a proper index.html, but adding a description would be better than doing nothing.)

Would you like any help with that Celtic? Would just be copy paste over and over from the snapshots 

 

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Oh they're there already? Good. I can't get the directory listing with FileZilla. :( Eventually I was hoping you or someone would make an actual database, but for now they're just kinda piled there.

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11 minutes ago, Richard Bacon said:

Would you like any help with that Celtic? Would just be copy paste over and over from the snapshots 

 

If you could give me a list of all the descriptions and the corresponding downloadable filename, that should be helpful. I could probably use regexes or something to transform it to the required format. (EDIT: Also it doesn't need to be in any particular order, if that helps.)

 

ADoS: Any objections to using the formatting on my website's download list for the scenario list on openboe.com? It means copying a couple of files from my website to openboe.com.

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Not a problem. For anyone's reference, I used a bash command to automate the download:

wget -r -np -nH -R index.html http://openboe.com/scenarios/

 

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23 hours ago, Celtic Minstrel said:

If you could give me a list of all the descriptions and the corresponding downloadable filename, that should be helpful. I could probably use regexes or something to transform it to the required format. (EDIT: Also it doesn't need to be in any particular order, if that helps.)

 

ADoS: Any objections to using the formatting on my website's download list for the scenario list on openboe.com? It means copying a couple of files from my website to openboe.com.

Why yes i can certainly do that. I'll get right to it after tonight

 

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Hello all,

 

21 hours ago, Duck in a Top Hat said:

Can I get a link to download a copy of all the scenarios to keep my own backup?

 

Duck did post a good way of getting all the downloads from the OpenBoE list above. However, for those who are less programming savvy, I have a mostly complete list of BoE scenarios in a single zip file, which I’ll upload for a while for convenience.

 

This is a copy of the old BoE AllScen project that was put together by w-dueck ten years ago. It contains the majority of BoE scenarios written by mid-2008, which I believe is almost everything that used to be on TrueSite and Kel’s archive. It contains 293 scenarios in all!

 

Here’s a link that should last for a month or two:

 

http://wikisend.com/download/236460/

 

It also includes a few scenarios that aren’t on the OpenBoE scenario list posted above – although the reverse is also true!

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Is that a zip of the actual scenarios then? That's helpful, though different from what I've asked Richard Bacon about.

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21 hours ago, Celtic Minstrel said:

That's helpful, though different from what I've asked Richard Bacon about.

 

Sure! However, Duck did ask for a copy of all the scenarios a little earlier in the thread. While a workaround was posted involving bash, I thought that I would put up a more conventional download link; it might help anyone in future that stumbles across this thread looking for something similar, but is not confident in using bash commands.

 

Sorry for the confusion!

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Fixing some grammar

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8 hours ago, Ess-Eschas said:

 

Sure! However, Duck did ask for a copy of all the scenarios a little earlier in the thread. While he posted a workaround involving bash, I thought that I would put up a more conventional download link; it might help anyone in future that stumbles across this thread looking for something similar, but is not confident in using bash commands.

 

Sorry for the confusion!

Too late I already clicked 343 times and downloaded everything individually lol

 

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On 6/23/2018 at 8:57 PM, Celtic Minstrel said:

At the moment the best you can do is download each one individually from the earlier link, sorry.

I'm gonna start a private message with you and paste the descriptions of the scenarios I could find had them on the Truesite Snapshots.

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I don't know how big scenario files are, but unless they're somehow massive, couldn't we just add the definitive version of every known BoE scenario to the CBoE repository and package them with the binaries to keep the files preserved in a player-accessible manner for as long as the project is alive?

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I believe a zip of every BoE scenario ever released would be in the ballpark of 60 megabytes. Pretty manageable in this day and age.

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@fractalnavel The source code for CBoE is already on GitHub, so yeah, what I'm suggesting is to add the scenarios to the same repo to keep all the BoE content centralized under version control.

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The scenarios are not necessarily released under a Free license. That's why I've been hesitant to suggest sticking them with the OBoE project. There is lots of precedence for hosting scenarios on sites like TrueSite, OpenBoE.com, and others, but I'm not sure we can go so far as to package unofficial scenarios with the program or include them in the code repository.

I am no expert on copyright law, mind you, but that's how I've understood it.

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55 minutes ago, The Almighty Doer of Stuff said:

The scenarios are not necessarily released under a Free license. That's why I've been hesitant to suggest sticking them with the OBoE project. There is lots of precedence for hosting scenarios on sites like TrueSite, OpenBoE.com, and others, but I'm not sure we can go so far as to package unofficial scenarios with the program or include them in the code repository.

I am no expert on copyright law, mind you, but that's how I've understood it.

I can't think of a meaningful legal difference between hosting the scenarios individually without permission and hosting them in a batch without permission, and I don't think most designers gave TrueSite (etc.) permission. Also, it would take a real asshole to file a copyright infringement suit right away — the most likely outcome is that someone would ask to be excluded, and you'd just have to comply. Or maybe a DMCA takedown notice; I did that once with someone who was hosting my scenarios without permission and being kind of obnoxious about it.

 

Note: Not legal advice, though I am a lawyer and I studied copyright law at one point.

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Well, yeah, but I'm not talking about a batch generally, but rather including them with the open source project. I don't know if that would be any different, but it kinda feels a little shakier somehow, like it would feel more like a direct claim that the scenarios were under an equally Free license.

 

Is anyone actually talking about that? I'm not sure. Maybe I misread something.

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We could include a separate license file acknowledging that copyright is held by their original creators, not the maintainers of OBoE, but the scenarios are bundled with the source code under the conditions of Fair Use. I'm not a lawyer but I've read up on it, and here's a quick resource: https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/four-factors/

 

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The four factors judges consider are:

  • the purpose and character of your use
  • the nature of the copyrighted work
  • the amount and substantiality of the portion taken, and
  • the effect of the use upon the potential market.

 

Including them in the repository would fall under the purpose of historical preservation of the material, all of which was created in the spirit of being shared for community members to experience without charge, and stands to have no effect on any scenario designer's potential market unless anyone is still specifically relying on website traffic driven by the Blades community (doubtful).

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I hadn't thought of Fair Use being applied here, but it doesn't strike me as unreasonable. Thanks. And like Kelandon said, anyone is free to object and I'm sure none of use would object to something being taken down if someone does.

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1 hour ago, The Almighty Doer of Stuff said:

Well, yeah, but I'm not talking about a batch generally, but rather including them with the open source project. I don't know if that would be any different, but it kinda feels a little shakier somehow, like it would feel more like a direct claim that the scenarios were under an equally Free license.

Distributing is distributing is distributing. Copies are copies, whether individually, batched, or batched together with something else.

 

Note: Still not legal advice.

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You may want to use a separate site / GitHub user / repository for items with different perceived risks, just in case.

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I'm not going to include the scenarios in the OBoE repository. Including them in a separate GitHub repo might be a possibility, though. (I guess I'd want to create an OBoE organization and move the repo over to it if we're gonna do that.)

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On 6/27/2018 at 7:02 PM, Celtic Minstrel said:

Still planning to do that? It's been like two days and I haven't seen anything.

I do apologize about this ive been busy with work and having to work alot of hours. If and whenever I am even here I only have a few minutes. I looked and there are no more descriptions for the scenarios on the wayback machine. Most were lost

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