Tenderfoot Thahd Perkendes Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Hi guys. I'm an old school player since Amiga and Amstrad CPC 464 era. I wanna enter Spiderweb universe with Avernum series but quite frustrated now. Avernum 1 Avernum 2 (recently released) Avernum 3 Blades of Avernum Avernum 4 Avernum 5 Avernum 6 Why did they release Avernum 2 after all those games? Is there any particular reason? As i read, Avernum 2 has a completely different story. I wanna start playing it first but still frustrated Sorry if there is another topic or info about my question. Thanks. SurraAgob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Avernum: Escape from the Pit is a ground-up rewrite of Avernum 1. Avernum 2: Crystal Souls is a ground-up rewrite of Avernum 2. (And Avernum 1-3 are themselves ground-up rewrites of Exile 1-3.) Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Perkendes Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Oh okay thanks. I saw Exile on website but couldn't figure out what was it exactly. Games are looking fantastic, gonna start them after i finish Divinity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer Rugila Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I suggest you start off with Avernum: Escape from the pit. If you do wish to understand the storyline of Avernum 2 deeper. As far as i can tell the same world is still there. Just that some time has passed since the events of Avernum 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Perkendes Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 I suggest you start off with Avernum: Escape from the pit. If you do wish to understand the storyline of Avernum 2 deeper. As far as i can tell the same world is still there. Just that some time has passed since the events of Avernum 1. I will do that. No problem about release date, content is important Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Rya.Reisender Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I also suggest to just ignore the old Avernum games and dive straight into the remakes Escape From The Pit and then Crystal Souls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Perkendes Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 I also suggest to just ignore the old Avernum games and dive straight into the remakes Escape From The Pit and then Crystal Souls. Hope they will remake Avernum 3 and other games too then. 'coz Avernum 2 looks fantastic now. And thanks for all these suggestions, very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 A remake of Avernum 3 is planned. Avernum 4-6 are recent enough that it'll probably be a while before remakes are needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Perkendes Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 A remake of Avernum 3 is planned. Avernum 4-6 are recent enough that it'll probably be a while before remakes are needed. Great news. Excited to begin the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Exiles are orig. games (freeware now I think but getting those to run on modern comps requires tweaking) and Avernum 1-3 are remakes of them and A4-6 are "new" games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Necris Omega Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 To my recollection, the full history of the series goes - Exile: Escape From the Pit (Original Graphics) Exile 2: Crystal Souls (Original Graphics) Exile: Escape From the Pit (Improved Graphics) Exile 2: Crystal Souls (Improved Graphics) Exile 3: Ruined World Blades of Exile Avernum Avernum II Avernum III Blades of Avernum Avernum IV Avernum V Avernum Vi Avernum: Escape from the Pit Avernum II: Crystal Souls Avernum III: Ruined World (Next Avernum to Come) Whole lot of mileage out of these caves, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I still stubbornly insist that the new-graphic versions of E1 and E2 postdate the release of E3. Also, "improved graphics" is really not accurate -- rather try "E3-style graphics" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 if Exiles and 1st 3 (incls remakes) Avernums happen during same years (wishful thinking but still) then we have wandered around Avernum few 100 years. BOE and BOA might not be considered in continuity. It'll take several years until A4-6 need remaking (that depends what Microsoft and Apple do although). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Bonam Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I think Avernum 4 and 5 will need remaking when Jeff can get to them. I don't think it's fair to lump 4 and 5 in with 6. Avernum 6 had a totally revamped GUI/graphics, and I enjoyed playing it, but when I tried 4 and 5 I didn't last more than 5-10 minutes cause of how archaic the UI was. Avernum 6 is a lot closer to A:eftp in terms of the game engine than it is to Avernum 5. Clocknova 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Edgwyn Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I didn't find A4 particularly hard to play for the UI, I do not like the blending of indoors and outdoors. That said, the earliest that Jeff could remake A4 on his current schedule would be for a Spring to Summer of 2017 release. By then, windows 11 will be in a beta form and who knows what Apple will have changed, so I think that Jeff will need to do an A4 remake as either the release after A:BW or the release after the release after A:BW, leaving room for him to start remaking Geneforge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Bonam Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I didn't find A4 particularly hard to play for the UI, I do not like the blending of indoors and outdoors. That said, the earliest that Jeff could remake A4 on his current schedule would be for a Spring to Summer of 2017 release. By then, windows 11 will be in a beta form and who knows what Apple will have changed, so I think that Jeff will need to do an A4 remake as either the release after A:BW or the release after the release after A:BW, leaving room for him to start remaking Geneforge. 2002: Avernum 3, Geneforge 1 2003: Geneforge 2 2005: Geneforge 3 2006: Avernum 4 2007: Geneforge 4, Nethergate, Resurrection 2008: Avernum 5 2009: Geneforge 5 2010: Avernum 6 2011: Avadon 1 2012: A1: EFTP 2013: Avadon 2 2015: A2:CS (should have been late 2014 to follow the cycle) With 1 game/year, if he was gonna remake the whole Geneforge series, going forward could be: 2015: Avadon 3 2016: A3:RW 2017: Geneforge 1 remake? 2018: A4 Remake 2019: Geneforge 2 remake 2020: A5 Remake 2021: Geneforge 3 remake 2022: A6 Remake 2023: Geneforge 4 remake 2024: ? 2025: Geneforge 5 remake Of course, this ignores the possibility of making new games rather than remaking old ones, which he might also decide to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 You left out BoA. I doubt SW wants to stop making entirely new games entirely. I also suspect that remakes of A4 on (and G1 on) will be simpler affairs for SW, since they had refined some of their game data organization by then. For the same reason, I suspect those games will last a bit longer before demanding remakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Jeff in his blog about the this game release said Avernum 2 was released in 2000. So 14 to 15 years is now the new estimate between remakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Bonam Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 AMA from a few days back: Interesting news from Jeff: - he will be switching to a new engine soon, that will include a lot of more "modern niceties" like mousewheel support - Avernum 3 and Avadon 3 are confirmed - The Geneforge series will be getting remakes - He'll develop an all new game, and likely use kickstarter for funding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer yarrmateys Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 i wonder if when he gets around to a4+, he'll add overworld maps like a1-3, or will they use the same interconnected map system the originals used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 So far, all the remakes have had overworld maps... but all the new games have not. The last time Jeff designed a new overworld map of that style was for BoA. So outside of remakes I wouldn't expect a comeback. Sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk RainbowDashRadical Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Jeff might retire before finishes the Geneforge series if its going to be over a decade from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Jeff might retire before finishes the Geneforge series if its going to be over a decade from now. or gets to Avernum 4/GF1 remake. if he works upto 2030 (would be 60 years old) then after Avernum 6 remake could become Avernum 0 First Expedition and that's it. Giant Frog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Actaeon Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 You left out BoG. FYT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I'd turn you into a stag, Actaeon, but there aren't any stag graphics in this game. Like so many other creatures, you'll have to settle for being a worm. Tyranicus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Actaeon Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 In all seriousness, I have a lot of questions about the Geneforge remakes that probably can't be answered at this state. The biggest of them is whether the new G1 will be limited to the same creations and spells as the original. You'd want to keep that sense of escalation throughout the series, but it'd be strange to go back to Drayks at endgame. Giant Frog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 The new creations are explicitly tied in to in-story developments, especially the first set of new creations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Juan Carlo Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I really hope Vogel doesn't waste time remaking Avernums 4 and 5. I see them as Spiderweb's worst games, by about a mile. A4 isn't actively awful, but it felt inconsequential and a bit of a lazy retread to me. A5 has a new setting going for it, but it has next to no plot (it's literally just "kill the bad guy!") and is painfully linear. I found myself loathing it more and more the longer it went on, but forced myself to finish it (because I'm too OCD not to). At anyrate, there'd definitely be no point in remaking A4 in 2018 as I don't think the difference in engine/interface between A4 and the current engine he's using is that great (and I doubt that will change drastically in just 3 years, although maybe the kickstarted engine/game will change that, I don't know what he has planned). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Even if JV makes remakes from A4-5 plots won't change much and unlikely that A5 would be less linear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 A4 got a real thrashing on the forums, but A5 was pretty positively received, despite coming on the heels of the much-lauded G4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 despite its reception on the forums a4 also apparently sold like hotcakes would sell if hotcakes made you brilliantly intelligent and irresistibly attractive, so there's that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Reverend Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 despite its reception on the forums a4 also apparently sold like hotcakes would sell if hotcakes made you brilliantly intelligent and irresistibly attractive, so there's that They don't? I want a refund on all those hotcakes I've been spending my hard-earned money on!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 A4 got a real thrashing on the forums, but A5 was pretty positively received, despite coming on the heels of the much-lauded G4. A4 was quite similar as A3 and in A5 we explored new areas and got new enemy and worked for Empire instead being Avernites and wandering mercenaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I think the biggest issue was the change from indoor/outdoor to all outdoors. It was jarring enough that the regulars here didn't like it while new players just found a new game that they liked. And it was well liked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 New players didn't know better, because A4 was their first look at a Spiderweb game. If you hadn't played A3, then the plot was new. The world didn't look smaller. In A3 outside world you didn't have Silvar, Cotra, and Fort Duvno two rounds away from each other in combat mode as in A4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 A4 was quite similar as A3 Um, no. To avoid spoilers, let's just say they have a lot of similarities as regards the ultimate villains; other than that... different combat engine, no overlap in areas, little overlap in characters, totally different terrain, different map and zone structure, different character structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 New players didn't know better, because A4 was their first look at a Spiderweb game. If you hadn't played A3, then the plot was new. well, if you hadn't played a3 or ultima 5 Slawbug 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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