Garrulous Glaahk mouton Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I do not powergame, really. But I like to know what stats affect what skills etc. and Jeff, lovable though he is, can't transparency. So instead of, you know, playing the game, I did some testing&spreadsheet sudoku and got the numbers for skills. There might be minor errors, though I doubt it. If anyone knows how to elegantly import a spreadsheet into the forums, I would be grateful. Skill damage progression: https://docs.google....YXc If the above link does not work for whatever reason, Nikki has kindly provided a mirror: http://nikkis-nook.h...age Scaling.pdf Some observations (some things same as in A:tBF): * Earthquake gets upgraded to Earthshatter at skill level 3, damage-wise. Tested step by step. * Icy Lance gets weapon damage from equipped bow, for some reason. * It is rather pointless to put points in damage skills that go only to 4, as they don't get the massive bonus above 6. * Shaman isn't that bad, despite having to split his stats, because his higher skills get higher dice than Sorcerer. * Many skills don't get weapon bonus despite sounding like they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 * Icy Lance gets weapon damage from equipped bow, for some reason. I'm going to go ahead and assume the reason is "Jeff Vogel sometimes writes code at 2 a.m. after a few beers." Thanks for all this work. Other interesting things that jump out at me: * Sharpshooter Spray has been toned down a lot from Avadon 1, as another little gift to melee blademasters. Plain old Savage Blow is actually now the Blademaster's best-scaling attack, although in practice a maxed-out Stunning Smash is likely to match or beat it at most levels. * I'm pretty sure melee damage dice still depend on your weapon type: swords and spears are d3, glaives/halberds are d4. * None of the Sorcerer's attacks are very strong: he just gets a whole lot of them. * All of the Tinkermage's direct-damage skills are actually really good. It's a pity they end up being ignored because turrets are even better, but I could see a Dex-based tinkermage putting one point in all the skills of the left tree, at least. * Any kind of ranged physical attack is still based on Dex, even when "ranged" means "jump a few steps forward" and "physical" means "an earthquake spell". Why, Jeff, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk mouton Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share Posted November 4, 2013 * I'm pretty sure melee damage dice still depend on your weapon type: swords and spears are d3, glaives/halberds are d4. Aw, shucks. I will just edit the dice out, then, to avoid confusion. I really don't want to test weapons now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Jerakeen Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 * Icy Lance gets weapon damage from equipped bow, for some reason. This explains why Icy Lance kind of sucks, then. My sorcerer just has a shortbow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 This explains why Icy Lance kind of sucks, then. My sorcerer just has a shortbow. Well, that and the fact that it has the same damage multiplier as the upgraded AoE damage spells, without having an area of effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I can't even see the spreadsheet. I hope someone can figure out how to port the info into something readable on here, because it sounds like excellent Strategy Central material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk stranger Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) Can you read from this link? Edited November 10, 2013 by stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Google wants a password and I couldn't remember the correct one or have the energy to look it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I can't even see the spreadsheet. I hope someone can figure out how to port the info into something readable on here, because it sounds like excellent Strategy Central material. I went ahead and downloaded the document as a .pdf file, and then uploaded it to my webspace. You can find it here. Triumph and mouton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk mouton Posted November 6, 2013 Author Share Posted November 6, 2013 Google wants a password and I couldn't remember the correct one or have the energy to look it up. What the hell, it is explicitly set to "anyone with the link. no sign-in required". I just double checked. I can view it even when I am signed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Copernicus Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 What the hell, it is explicitly set to "anyone with the link. no sign-in required". I just double checked. I can view it even when I am signed out. Hmm. I just tried the link, and Google is asking me to sign in first as well... Edit: After signing in and then signing out, it no longer asks me to sign in to view the document. Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer Sterno Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Both of these links are dead. Any chance someone has a copy of this somewhere? I'm mainly curious about the damage ranges of the various Tinkermage turrets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd MC Tugger Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 On 9/26/2016 at 2:58 PM, Sterno said: Both of these links are dead. Any chance someone has a copy of this somewhere? I'm mainly curious about the damage ranges of the various Tinkermage turrets. For anyone else who arrives here, the links are still dead, as is the link midway down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slarzahl Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 This thread hasn't been posted in in 7 years. MC Tugger, friendly mod request since this has come up a few times now. For ancient threads like these, it's OK to post in them if you have something new to add, but please let them remain inactive if it's just "me too" or "the links that were dead 7 years ago are still dead". Thanks! 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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