Unflappable Drayk Radix Malorum Est Cupiditas Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Is there no place on the intertubes where this is being hosted? I tried the Wayback Machine and it's giving me serious problems with viewing some of the maps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 See the topic in this forum: "Avernum Annotated Maps". Edit: http://web.archive.org/web/20080511022043/www.silverchat.com/~silver/Avernum/mainmap1.html this gives most of the maps but not all, even when I right-click and choose Show Picture some don't appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Radix Malorum Est Cupiditas Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 Yea, that's why I posted this. For me it's not "most of the maps but not all," rather, very few of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 I saw 36 out of 42, could not get the other six to appear. Try the address I displayed in my last post. The Map of Avernum (Mapofavernum.bmp) may give insight into the missing portions. My Avernum 1 Template shows all the outdoor sections. Avernum 1 Template Edit: For those not in the know, the Template is a Blades of Avernum scenario that needs the BoA Editor to be used. BoA 3D Editor - Windows version If you are on a Mac, you will need the Mac Editor instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ef Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 I am not sure, but this could be silver Harloe's blog: silver Harloe the profile lists 'celtic knots' as one of his hobbies, and I remember from silver's website that he liked to do that. So if anyone wants to try to contact him and get the Annotated Maps back, s/he might give this a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Radix Malorum Est Cupiditas Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 Thanks, ef. Ishad Nha, its not the world map that I want, though that is helpful, rather the smaller annotated maps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 That's definitely the right silver, but contact information is non-trivial. —Alorael, who sent out a few emails anyway. Hopefully he can either get the site restored or get the data and start hosting it somewhere himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Do you mean the town maps or the outdoor maps? My template has both but none of the maps are annotated. Annotated maps are nice but you probably won't need them if you use Far Sight and Unlock Doors. Make notes of which towns have impassable doors& A1 is fairly straightforward, there are no maps in the outdoors that you can't access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 The Annotated Maps were actually a complete walkthrough with very detailed information about what was where. Maps are nice, but the rest was helpful too, and a lot isn't recorded anywhere else. —Alorael, who hasn't heard back yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ef Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 This may take time, but don't give up on him. He will answer somewhen because he remembers you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Actually, the biggest problem is that I'm chasing a lot of email addresses. Some are dead, and some might not have been checked in years. I've also asked some other people who seem to be involved with Silverchat if they're still around and know how to contact him, but so far nothing. —Alorael, who won't give up yet. Just because the internet is nearly instant doesn't mean the people on it are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I somehow always thought Silverchat was female. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Lauren CW Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 What all was in the Annotated maps? Does anyone have a sample of one? I'd be willing to give a shot at making some. I'm right at the beginning of a new playthrough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer Sterno Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Here's an example (from one that got archived): http://web.archive.org/web/2008051010572...imFortress.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer Sterno Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Btw, I don't know if Silver is ever going to see this, but if it's just a matter of not wanting to host the site anymore, I'd be happy to throw the maps up on a site and give proper credit back to Silver. I'm already paying for hosting on a site that barely sees any use, so I wouldn't mind finding some more uses for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 So I heard back from Silver, but only one response that didn't get anywhere. Still waiting on an offer to provide hosting, sort through files, or whatever else it takes to get the maps up and available again. —Alorael, who actually has no idea if Silver is male or female. He thought that Silver was female, but then something convinced him otherwise, and now he can't remember why either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Radix Malorum Est Cupiditas Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 His website mentioned that he's a guy. And turned 35 in 08 if that's of interest to anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Making new annotated maps should not be hard with the Text Box function in MS Paint. When you copy and paste the finished text you can give it a transparent background. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Originally Posted By: Ishad Nha Making new annotated maps should not be hard... BZZZT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ef Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Quote: So I heard back from Silver Congrats! I thought you might have to wait months for a first contact. Quote: Making new annotated maps.. Owww...those maps of silver's are a piece of art in my opinion. I'm not saying noone else could come up with something equally beautiful, just saying that they are special, very much so. And very much part of Spiderweb and its progress through the years. They shouldn't be lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Nothing new from Silver, but Tycho Maudd planned for this eventuality and already backed up the site. I've got the files from him, and now I've got a working computer again, so I'll try to get them up. —Alorael, who is willing to hand the files over to as many people as possible so they don't disappear. Having them widely mirrored can only be a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Radix Malorum Est Cupiditas Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 I could kiss you. I can't host them, but if you can send me a link, I'll download them so the next time this happens I can hopefully (lacking any total system failure) send them out to all interested parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 doesnt the game come with an in systom map? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ef Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Quote: Nothing new from Silver, but Tycho Maudd planned for this eventuality and already backed up the site. I've got the files from him, and now I've got a working computer again, so I'll try to get them up. —Alorael, who is willing to hand the files over to as many people as possible so they don't disappear. Having them widely mirrored can only be a good thing. That's great news. And yes, I want the files. I mail you my e-mail. edit: To Loyal Servile Wait until they are online again. Then you'll see for yourself why we want the maps back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Originally Posted By: radix malorum est cupiditas I can't host them, but if you can send me a link, I'll download them so the next time this happens I can hopefully (lacking any total system failure) send them out to all interested parties. Ditto. I know my way around A1 & A2 well enough without the maps, but I wouldn't mind downloading a copy for archival puropses. My computer is like the internet; there's pretty much no such thing as "deleted." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 so there are differant things on the old map then the in game map? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Yes. There is a link earlier in this thread that shows you an example of what they looked like. Reading the thread before you post is usually a good idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 yes. i checked it. differant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 upload those to rapidshare etc and i will dl those and "lose" those on some corner of my hd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 All right, everyone! The maps are here. Some work may be required to get them working online, but anyone who wants them can download them and open the index file to get to a working version. —Alorael, who will link the forum header to the first person to successfully provide a new site for them. Go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ef Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Thank you so much for this. Now just one question: I do miss the small .jpg of Patrick's Tower, the detailed one. Did I lose it in the download or is it just not part of the copy? Everything else is there. I tried to get it from the wayback machine, but no luck. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 For some reason those didn't make it in. —Alorael, who isn't sure why. Maybe that fell off the site before the entire thing went down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Tycho Maudd Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Sorry, I guess that I didn't get that page into my archive. I MAY still have a second complete copy (it's older, from before the first time the site went offline)on my old retired mac. I'll try to look for it over the next few days when I get the chance to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ef Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Quote: Sorry, I guess that I didn't get that page into my archive. I MAY still have a second complete copy (it's older, from before the first time the site went offline)on my old retired mac. I'll try to look for it over the next few days when I get the chance to. Thanks, I'd enjoy that. In the wayback archives this particular .jpg seems to have been missing right away, once and forever, from 2001-2008. Which is strange, as I remember the picture from silver's website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 @Alorael: Thanks for the maps. I downloaded them, and made a copy on each of two of my flash drives. Barring any major mishap, I can pretty much guarantee there will always be a copy of the maps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 http://nikkis-nook.hallsofchaos.net/Avernum/index.html It all works, as far as I can see, apart from the Tower of Patrick. Haven't had time to properly look though. Thanks, Alorael, for finding the files, and Niemand for continuing to allow me to use his webspace. I'll add a link to my front-page eventually. (addit: I might also add a disclaimer somewhere that says that Silver no longer updates these/the website links to contact him/her are dead/blahblahblah, but probably not unless somebody says it's called for - just having the maps uploaded somewhere in their original format is probably more important.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I notice that the mouseover versions of the map images seem to be missing. If you view the overall map and mouse over any part of it, it turns into a broken image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I see that, and I really don't know how to fix that, so until somebody tells me how, I won't. Edit: Looking at the archived online version, it doesn't do anything, and I can easily fix it so that the images jsut link to the correct pages. Am I right in assuming their originally used to be a preview when you moused-over? Edit2: So, I figured it out... I just need to do some liberal renaming. Edit3: Or not. It seems that the mouseover requires two sets of images, and we only have one currently (I should really have checked before editing my posting) - I'm assuming one set didn't have area labels, and the other (the one we have) did. I don't have the time to make a new set of images without the labels right now, so I've just pointed both links to the same image set. Upshot is, images shouldn't disappear now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I don't know what was originally there, but whatever it was, it's not included in the files Tycho sent over. EDIT: Oh, I see you figured that out. Well, making the mouseover the same as the regular is a good compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I believe it replaced the image with a darkened version and with the area name written over it. My guess is that the utility that downloaded the whole site only followed links it could find. Since the program didn't mouse-over, it never encountered those missing images. —Alorael, who doesn't think they're a real problem. And, as before, he deserves no thanks. The doing was all Tycho Maudd's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ef Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I do feel confused. Because, as Alorael, I too remember something darker, no space between the images, and also a transparent yellowish layer that was either part of the highlighted pic or vanished on mouseover. But looking at the source code, the header defines both hi_pics and smallclear_pics and their function, but the body never refers to said hi_pics. And there's no folder that contains them. Can the archive change the source code? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Tycho Maudd Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Those pictures are missing because the program I used to download the page doesn't like javascript so it left them out. I figure they shouldn't be too hard to reproduce since they were based on the map that is already there. I just sent alorael a "fixed" copy of the maps with the tower of patrick; recovered from my old archive after digging my mac out of the basement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 And the updated copy is here. —Alorael, who will get around to the forum header shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 the link isnt working for me. it just says a website with a file association. but theres nothing to click on. Is that link bad just for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 last link works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 must just be my computer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan ef Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Thank you both, Tycho and Alorael. Patrick's tower has returned in all its glory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 It's not a link to a web site, it's a link to a file. Clicking on it will normally download the file. You probably didn't notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 New files uploaded, and again, tell me if something fouls up. Looking at the Avernum 2 site, it's a shame that never got finished. I might have to start a new run through and fill in some of those blanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 nope i see nothing downloaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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