Kyshakk Koan Firecage Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 How many continents are there exactly in Geneforge. So far I got 3. 1. Terrestia. 2. The shaper continent forgotten by Jeff. 3. The homeland of the Sholai.(Possibly continent.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 If there are any other continents, the Shapers don't know about them and so neither do we. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 The text never states that the Sholai came from a continent, just a place not under Shaper control. They could have come from an island group or large island like Iceland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Firecage Posted December 17, 2010 Author Share Posted December 17, 2010 True. Btw. Why is Australia a continent, but Greenland an island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Because, comparatively speaking, Australia is huge while Greenland is tiny. Greenland only looks huge on world maps because world maps almost always use the Mercator projection, which seriously distorts the polar regions. Dikiyoba would be surprised if the Sholai didn't come from a continent. They are clearly a technologically advanced society with a large population. One island or island chain, especially up north where they'd have a fairly short growing season, wouldn't give them enough resources that they could afford to send out huge expeditions all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Firecage Posted December 17, 2010 Author Share Posted December 17, 2010 True that. Especially the ability to get past shaper defenses. Edit: Also if we take in consideration that the seas were to rough for the shapers to get to the Sholai lands, yet the Sholai were able to get to Shaper lands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Agreed. I'm not sure I can think of any direct quotations to back this up, but the impression I've gotten from Sholai throughout the series is that their society is of comparable magnitude to that of the Shapers. At the very least, it seems odd that Trajkov and company would feel so threatened by the Shapers if the Sholai were some vast 'The Empire'-style empire, and I don't recall any Sholai mentioning awe at the size of Shaper lands and populations, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Firecage Posted December 17, 2010 Author Share Posted December 17, 2010 usually a great civilization/empire would feel threatened by one nearly matching it or even matching it. But they would be in awe if their own civilization was far lesser. I believe the Sholai was on the same level as the Shapers.(Except ofcourse no mass creations.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 The point of my comparison to The Empire (specifically, the one from Exile/Avernum, should have mentioned that before) is that it controls several continents/most of the known world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Firecage Posted December 17, 2010 Author Share Posted December 17, 2010 That is indeed true, though I doubt they exist on the same world. There is a possibility, but I doubt that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Tirien Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Originally Posted By: lordofdc That is indeed true, though I doubt they exist on the same world. There is a possibility, but I doubt that. Avernum and Geneforge are set in completely different universes. The only known empire (if it can even be called that) in the Geneforge series are the shapers. Wether the Sholai are a empire or not isnt really known. (At least, if it is, i've completely forgotten about it.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 When I said "The point of my comparison to The Empire," I meant that I was making an analogy between the size of The Empire from Avernum and the possible size of the Sholai. More specifically, positing that the Sholai were likely substantially smaller than The Empire, and probably not much (if at all) larger than the Shaper nation. None of this involved suggesting that The Empire exists in the Geneforge world, or anything else about the two plots taking place in the same setting. And even if they did, the Shapers totally wouldn't be Vahnatai. Except maybe Taygen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Taygen can't possibly be a vahnatai. Vahnatai are known for creating uncontrolled hordes of monsters, not for creating something that will kill off uncontrolled hordes of monsters. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Tirien Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Originally Posted By: Dikiyoba Taygen can't possibly be a vahnatai. Vahnatai are known for creating uncontrolled hordes of monsters, not for creating something that will kill off uncontrolled hordes of monsters. Dikiyoba. Maybe Ghaldring is secretly a vahnatai then. He likes creating hordes of uncontrolled monsters after all. Or maybe Shaper Monarch is the real vahnatai. Or maybe we should just blame it all on X/Sylak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Firecage Posted December 17, 2010 Author Share Posted December 17, 2010 I still say the Vahnatai are the remnants of the Shapers. And Avernum takes place far in the future. (I made a lame topix suggesting that years ago) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Tracer Bullet Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 And how does one explain the disappearance of certain continents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Collateral damage from when the Nine-Headed Cave Cow bovine thudded the Vahnatai Creationists into oblivion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Tirien Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Originally Posted By: CRISIS on INFINITE SLARTIES Collateral damage from when the Nine-Headed Cave Cow bovine thudded the Vahnatai Creationists into oblivion. All praise the Nine-Headed Cave Cow! (for getting rid of those vahnatai creationists, that is.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 X/Sylak? Ahahaha. I wonder if anyone's written any of that? "Is that an anvil in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?" (Or the alternate version, involving 'Crystal Wands.') Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Tracer Bullet Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Whoa. An assassin. Lovely. So the Ornk Lord destroyed the Sholai continent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Tirien Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Do not tempt the wrath of the Nine-Headed Cave Cow by comparing it to a ornk. The ornks are nothing compared to the Cave Cows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Tracer Bullet Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 I thought maybe the Cave Cows were the descendants of the Ornks. Same universe, remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Tirien Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 What have you been smoking? Avernum and Geneforge are completely different universes. The only ones who belive otherwise are the Vahnatai Creationists, and we all know they cant be trusted. Or do you already know this and are just attempting to troll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Originally Posted By: Sage of Numenor And how does one explain the disappearance of certain continents? [..] ...destroyed the Sholai continent? Originally Posted By: The very first post 2. The shaper continent forgotten by Jeff. Edit: *sigh* And Dikiyoba had been doing so well with the quotes too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Firecage Posted December 18, 2010 Author Share Posted December 18, 2010 And the shaper one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Tracer Bullet Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Sigh. Okay, you've convinced me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Tracer Bullet Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Originally Posted By: Dikiyoba Dikiyoba would be surprised if the Sholai didn't come from a continent. They are clearly a technologically advanced society with a large population. One island or island chain, especially up north where they'd have a fairly short growing season, wouldn't give them enough resources that they could afford to send out huge expeditions all the time. Clearly the Sholai are native to an archipelago, because their technology excels where the sea is concerned. From what we know of Shapers and the sea, I should think that the technology of Terrestia was actually quite passable in that respect. The Shapers weren't wimpy at sea, they were just hopelessly outclassed. But we know the Sholai aren't advanced in all respects, because they do not have Shaping, gunpowder, or any idea how to run a proper archaeological expedition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Well, the Sholai can't entirely be blamed for that. It takes a lot of technology to screen Indiana Jones movies. Seriously, the Sholai may have competent archaeologists, but to my recollection Trajkov and his band were more the explorer and diplomat types. Not that they excelled in the latter area, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Was that a joke that just flew overhead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 These forums are for serious discussion only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Tracer Bullet Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Quote: serious discussion only Oh, bugger. It seems that some mod will have to delete all my posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Originally Posted By: FnordCola These forums are for serious discussion only. Surely you can't be serious! (I know, I know, don't call you Shirley. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Originally Posted By: The Mystic (I know, I know, don't call you Shirley. ) I've actually never heard that before; it's quite clever. That said, all of this necromancy reminds me of the third Avadon quest to the Kva lands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Inasmuch as there exist titanic amounts of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Originally Posted By: Master1 Originally Posted By: The Mystic (I know, I know, don't call you Shirley. ) I've actually never heard that before; it's quite clever. Obviously, you've never seen the movie Airplane! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Originally Posted By: Master1 I've actually never heard that before; it's quite clever. Get off the Internet! No, Dikiyoba does not fear the serious discussion police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Tracer Bullet Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 So, Shirley, what of the point I made a few posts back? The one about archaeology? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Originally Posted By: Dikiyoba Originally Posted By: Master1 I've actually never heard that before; it's quite clever. Get off the Internet! Bah, who are you to banish me? You with your fancy blue name! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Originally Posted By: Dikiyoba Get off the Internet! Easier said than done; there's no brakes, and all the exits are blocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Originally Posted By: Master1 Originally Posted By: Dikiyoba Originally Posted By: Master1 I've actually never heard that before; it's quite clever. Get off the Internet! Bah, who are you to banish me? You with your fancy blue name! If you switch to the dark UBB theme everyone's name is blue, so you don't need to fear them any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Originally Posted By: Master1 Bah, who are you to banish me? You mean you've never heard of Dikiyoba the Great? Bah! What are they teaching you kids in school nowadays, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Currently we're learning how to identify internet predators. I'm not using this as an experiment... ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Originally Posted By: Master1 Currently we're learning how to identify internet predators. I'm not using this as an experiment... ... Afraid of getting eaten? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Tracer Bullet Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Originally Posted By: Dikiyoba You mean you've never heard of Dikiyoba the Great? Bah! What are they teaching you kids in school nowadays, then? Nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Originally Posted By: Master1 Currently we're learning how to identify internet predators. I'm not using this as an experiment... Don't be ridiculous. Everyone knows the Internet is at the top of the food web. Dikiyoba is going to have to have a word with your school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 The internet is cannibalistic, though, so strictly speaking it does have one predator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 INTERNETOG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Tracer Bullet Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 Personally, I have always preferred SPAM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast VCH Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Originally Posted By: Dikiyoba Originally Posted By: Master1 Currently we're learning how to identify internet predators. I'm not using this as an experiment... Don't be ridiculous. Everyone knows the Internet is at the top of the food web. Dikiyoba is going to have to have a word with your school. Recent food-web theory puts more emphasis on parasites as being at the top. After all, a lion eats a gnu, but a spiny-headed worm eats a lion. Now, how that translates over to the Internet, I don't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 And a king may go a progress through the guts of a beggar. "Your worm is your only emperor for diet" indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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