Tenderfoot Thahd Fett0001 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Relating to searching containers: If I use the "l" shortcut to look and the down arrow key to pick the direction to search a container, the look mode doesn't end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Is this in Windows or Mac? And if in Windows, is it the Classic release from the Google Code site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Fett0001 Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 Windows, and yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Fett0001 Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 I don't have a number keypad, so I can't say if the diagonal searching is also a problem, but using the mouse to select the space below the party does not cause the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I think the arrow keys for movement were not originally available, so presumably it's a matter of whoever added it missing something. I don't even think the Mac version supports arrow key movement yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Fett0001 Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 It's not a big problem, except when trying to save, since looking prevents saving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Chokboyz Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Originally Posted By: Fett0001 Relating to searching containers: If I use the "l" shortcut to look and the down arrow key to pick the direction to search a container, the look mode doesn't end. Confirmed. The bug is already present in the legacy version of Blades of Exile. The funny part is that the only key that does so is the down arrow, not even the down keypad arrow. I'm looking into this. Chokboyz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Fett0001 Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 Thanks for the quick responses. ^__^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Chokboyz Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Originally Posted By: Fett0001 Thanks for the quick responses. ^__^ You're welcome. By the way, does anybody knows if the Ctrl key is used at all in Windows BoE (apart from the Ctrl+X shortcuts) ? It seems there's a check for it but the only part it is actually used is a (faulty) check in the look mode ... (my guess is that it was supposed to allow multiple looks in a row ...) Chokboyz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Fett0001 Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 Originally Posted By: Chokboyz By the way, does anybody knows if the Ctrl key is used at all in Windows BoE (apart from the Ctrl+X shortcuts) ? It seems there's a check for it but the only part it is actually used is a (faulty) check in the look mode ... (my guess is that it was supposed to allow multiple looks in a row ...) Chokboyz Back in Exile 2, it was used for extra looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Chokboyz Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Originally Posted By: Fett0001 Back in Exile 2, it was used for extra looks. Thanks ... Is there a point in keeping this ? (it is actually non-working (and never worked in BoE) and causing the down-arrow bug) If there's no objections, i'll clean it up Chokboyz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Fett0001 Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 Most people who do multilook could use the right click. It might be legacy from the old macs without two mouse buttons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Originally Posted By: Fett0001 Back in Exile 2, it was used for extra looks. This behaviour should be brought back if it doesn't already occur. Note that on the Mac, Ctrl+click is identical to right-click, so it's probably best to do the same on Windows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Using the find in all files function, searching for Ctrl: it seems only to occur for multiple looking. In practice it does allow multiple looking, this function is working properly in Windows. If you keep pressing the Down arrow you keep searching the same square. If you press some other arrow key you Search the relevant square then the searching stops, it is not a really big bug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Chokboyz Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Originally Posted By: Fett0001 Most people who do multilook could use the right click. It might be legacy from the old macs without two mouse buttons. Yes, probably a mac to windows leftover ... Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel This behaviour should be brought back if it doesn't already occur. I guess we can bring back the "holding Ctrl allows multiple looks" behavior ...Edit : Done. Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel Note that on the Mac, Ctrl+click is identical to right-click, so it's probably best to do the same on Windows. Are you suggesting we double the right-click with Ctrl+click ? If so, I understand that some Mac don't have a second mouse button, but that seems a bit redundant for other platforms ... Originally Posted By: Ishad Nha Using the find in all files function, searching for Ctrl: it seems only to occur for multiple looking. In practice it does allow multiple looking, this function is working properly in Windows. I've found the same as you, Ctrl is only used for multiple looking in the Windows code. I disagree, though, it is not working properly : for example pressing the Key Down button counts as if the Ctrl key was pressed.Edit: Nevermind, it's fixed. Originally Posted By: Ishad Nha it is not a really big bug No, it's not Chokboyz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Originally Posted By: Chokboyz Are you suggesting we double the right-click with Ctrl+click ? If so, I understand that some Mac don't have a second mouse button, but that seems a bit redundant for other platforms ... Pretty much. On the Mac, it's standard for right-click to be the same as control-click, since not everyone will have a two-button mouse. You don't have to duplicate that on Windows, but consistency is nice. Then right-clicking should also invoke the multi-look behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Mistb0rn Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Isn't right-clicking on Windows just regular look? How would making it trigger a multi-look change anything? You'd still click the same number of times, and it would probably confuse everyone who's used to it the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Why not have an option in the prefs to control this behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Cryolemon Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Originally Posted By: Anyone Else with Them Why not have an option in the prefs to control this behaviour. That seems sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Originally Posted By: Mistb0rn Isn't right-clicking on Windows just regular look? How would making it trigger a multi-look change anything? You'd still click the same number of times, and it would probably confuse everyone who's used to it the way it is. ...wait, what? We should not have Ctrl-click and right-click have a different effect. Either change right-click to trigger multi-look, or change ctrl-click to trigger either normal look or nothing, and then perhaps alt-click can trigger multi-look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Chokboyz Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel ...wait, what? We should not have Ctrl-click and right-click have a different effect. Either change right-click to trigger multi-look, or change ctrl-click to trigger either normal look or nothing, and then perhaps alt-click can trigger multi-look. Hmm ? Right-click has always been "look the space the cursor is on" and Ctrl-Click was "keep on looking until i release the Ctrl key, while in looking mode" before it was broken somewhere between Exile 2, Exile 3 and BoE. If any of these should be changed, then i'll make Ctrl-Click does nothing (which it already did, except when in looking mode). Chokboyz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 On the Mac, right-click and ctrl-click should be absolutely equivalent to support single-button mice. Hence, having them do two different things on Windows would necessarily lead to an inconsistency in the controls. So, either make Ctrl-click equivalent to right-click, or make it do nothing. I do like the multi-look function though. Can you manage an alt-click for that? ... Hm... On second thoughts, I have been neglecting the fact that Mac has one more modifier key than Windows. And it's quite natural to map the command key on Mac to the control key on Windows. So, if you want to keep Ctrl-click as multi-look, then on the Mac we'll make command-click be multi-look. Maybe it already is, I dunno. And then alt-click could be something else, such as "use space"... hey, that's a good idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Chokboyz Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel On second thoughts, I have been neglecting the fact that Mac has one more modifier key than Windows. And it's quite natural to map the command key on Mac to the control key on Windows. So, if you want to keep Ctrl-click as multi-look, then on the Mac we'll make command-click be multi-look. Maybe it already is, I dunno. Seems like a good idea to me Note that Windows also has a command key (probably stol... err inspired by the Mac one) but is quite a pain to fiddle with , so i'd would suggest doing as you said : holding Ctrl for multilook on Windows, holding Command for multilook on Mac (given the code, #ifdef would do the trick). Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel And then alt-click could be something else, such as "use space"... hey, that's a good idea! Agreed If it gains the community approval, this wouldn't take long to implement ... Thanks, Chokboyz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 The Windows key doesn't really count; it's used by the operating system, and is not readily available for use by arbitrary programs. As for the #ifdef thing... we still need to actually perform the merge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Tonweya Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Naive as this may sound to all of you... Is there a list of all the 'Hot-Keys', 'ctrl + char', and 'alt + char' keys; including what you can do in the 'debug' mode? (Hopefully included in the new, 'BoE Classic') I've never used 'Hot-Keys', nor the 'debug mode' except for the time recently that Chokboyz told me to use it to verify my problem with "Spy's Quest" for fear of fouling something up. I've learned to 'live with' the BSOD showing up a few times a week when running the Original BoE on XP. I probably won't use any of these functions, but it's nice to know what they are and that they're there. The idea of 'mult-look' has to be a lot easier than moving around a room to 'look' at every object individually, eh? tx, me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Chokboyz Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Originally Posted By: Ahbleza Is there a list of all the 'Hot-Keys', 'ctrl + char', and 'alt + char' keys; I don't know of any, apart from the in the menus (open file, etc). Originally Posted By: Ahbleza including what you can do in the 'debug' mode? Enter Debug mode (Shift-D) and press the '/' key (on the keypad). Originally Posted By: Ahbleza The idea of 'mult-look' has to be a lot easier than moving around a room to 'look' at every object individually, eh? The right mouse button already provides an alternative for that (don't worry, the Ctrl key multilook behavior has been implemented nonetheless) Hope it helps, Chokboyz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Or, you know, follow in the wake of every computer FPS and let people change the controls to suit their personal preferences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Currently the Ctrl + (Char) keys are found in only two menus: File and Actions, there are only ten of them in total. In the two menus look at the "Ctrl + (Letter)" on the right side. In the source code look at ACCELERATORS_1 ACCELERATORS found around line 100 of the file Blades.rc. Alt + Letter hot keys are indicated by the relevant letter being underlined. Individual preferences is a good idea, I don't know if I can program it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Tonweya Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 tx, me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Originally Posted By: Anyone Else with Them Or, you know, follow in the wake of every computer FPS and let people change the controls to suit their personal preferences. This will probably happen for the editor, eventually, but BoE is not a first person shooter. It has a lot of hotkeys. There are no plans at present to allow hotkey customization in the actual game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 You could alter the keys yourself for your own private version. All you need is a compiler, Bloodshed Dev-C++ is my freeware favorite. Then all you need to know is what to change, you don't need to know programming per se. Ctrl + Key hot keys are found in Blades.rc, look for ACCELERATORS_1 ACCELERATORS { "^O", 1, ASCII "^S", 2, ASCII "^F", 3, ASCII "^N", 4, ASCII "^P", 6, ASCII "^C", 7, ASCII "^Q", 8, ASCII "^A", 81, ASCII "^W", 82, ASCII "^M", 84, ASCII } Straight letter shortcuts are found after line 1500 in boe.actions.cpp. "FCD" is a dialog found in Gamedlog.rc. This thread may be helpful too: http://www.ironycentral.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=154452&page=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Fett0001 Posted November 3, 2009 Author Share Posted November 3, 2009 Suggestion: Us laptop users typically don't have a numkeypad, and this makes it difficult to move diagonally. It would be nice if there were a way to press up and left and go northwest, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Ctrl + Arrow key would be possible, I can look into this in the next few days. This would have to be written into the movement function somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Chokboyz Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Originally Posted By: Fett0001 Us laptop users typically don't have a numkeypad, and this makes it difficult to move diagonally. It would be nice if there were a way to press up and left and go northwest, etc. Nowadays laptop have integrated numkeypad or virtual numkeypad (usually accessed via the Fn key). Plus the mouse/pad can be used to be move the party ... Don't shout yet, i'm just joking More seriously, we can assign the Home, End, Page Up/Down key to diagonal movement (these are usually used, since they match the numkey ones) ... Originally Posted By: Ishad Nha Ctrl + Arrow key would be possible Ctrl is already used to multilook, so that's probably a bad idea ... Chokboyz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Home, End, PageUp, and PageDown would work... except that laptops don't typically have those, either. What about moving diagonally if two non-opposing arrow keys are pressed simultaneously? For example, hold left and up together to move NW. Oh, and the bit about the Fn key only applies to Windows computers. Apple decided to remove that feature for some strange reason; MacBooks do not have a pseudo-numpad accessible via the Fn key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Chokboyz Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel Home, End, PageUp, and PageDown would work... except that laptops don't typically have those, either. Unbelievable ... Provided that laptops usually don't have proper mouse (read a mouse pad), i assumed those keys were always implemented so that you can move around quickly ... My bad then Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel What about moving diagonally if two non-opposing arrow keys are pressed simultaneously? For example, hold left and up together to move NW. That would makes sense (the most actually), but the problem of overlapping with the four default cardinal direction arise (i.e the program may register the keys as "go left then up" instead of "go North-West" (and would, in general, be quite clumsy) ...). It is a possible global (i assume all computers have, at least, arrow keys ...) solution, though Chokboyz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Originally Posted By: Chokboyz Originally Posted By: Celtic Minstrel Home, End, PageUp, and PageDown would work... except that laptops don't typically have those, either. Unbelievable ... ...actually, come to think of it, my laptop does have those keys, obtained by combining the Fn key with an arrow key. I don't know if this applies to non-Macs though, or even to newer Macs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon The Almighty Doer of Stuff Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 My girlfriend has an HP WinXP laptop for which the number pad movement in BoE doesn't work either, so I don't think forcing people to use the pseudo-numpad is a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 ~MY GIRLFRIEND~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon The Almighty Doer of Stuff Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 What? You didn't know I have a girlfriend? We've been together for three years as of December 12th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Originally Posted By: The Almighty Doer of Stuff What? You didn't know I have a girlfriend? We've been together for three years as of December 12th. you are a human pinata: when i hit you with a stick, comedy comes out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Chokboyz Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Just for information, i've implemented Home, Page Up/Down and End for diagonal movement (the code is written, if the need arise to change those keys, changing the key constant check is the only thing needed now). A side effect is that the Keypad diagonal movement is working with either Numlock on or off. Chokboyz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Originally Posted By: Chokboyz A side effect is that the Keypad diagonal movement is working with either Numlock on or off. Wonderful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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