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Well, i downloaded the new demo version. And while it does not completly freeze at certain points anymore. It is very very slow moving when i click. As i am sure this is not fault to Jeff Vogels update, i am probably going to buy a gaming computer. If not, well ill have to suffer.

I am happy to see the battle creation buff. but will we still get drakons. I hope so. Any kind will do. Drakon, Ur-drakon, or unbound.

I dont think that is possible is it? Doesnt the charged creation disinegrate every time you leave a level?

I have found that, unlike most geneforges, G4 enemies dont really drop many javelins. So i would say that the ammo WILL get scare as you get to the end of the game

Again, i am not saying i am the best, i am just posting the possiblitlies of what would happen in battle. I myself chose the Titans Hall as my "base" in geneforge 4 because it is the most defendable area. But again, we would need PvP to prove it. I am sure Hydra's agent is quite powerful, and it would be cool if we could go coop online.

I agree with that. IF he could disable my Ur-Drakons. Though with mental barrier and all my buffing skills, he would have to get past my drakons first. And if he didnt kill/disable my Ur-Drakons in the first round of combat, he would either suffer a severe health loss or he would be dead. Do you see my point, my shaper is the power behind the Ur-Drakons. He can buff them so that they wont get touched. The agent wouldnt be able to reach me before he was dead. Lets just say he did get to me. He would then deal with an array of Battle Magic attacks, and a 500 health shaper with healing spells and blessing magic.( i know that it isnt that much health but its is pretty good for a shaper).

I did not mean to imply that my creations were better than anyones. I was pointing out that the magic of an agent could probably not contest with three Ur-Drakons(each having 1600 health and hitting for 500 each) and a shaper that was equipped with full magic skills save mental magic and healing. could buff them for 30 rounds. The agent would be dead within 2 to 3 rounds.

Actually my zipper is up and tight. Im just sayin that my creations are pretty much unstoppable. And your right, x+1 slightly weaker creations are better than one stronger creation. That is what i have. Three Ur-Drakons. all of them are around the same health

I have full Blessing magic, full healing, full battle magic, part mental magic. Depending how much health you have i dont think you would survive one round. And i can make back up creations. And after i boost them, your dead, you would have one round to take all three.

Choose

And yes, MINE stun. I cant explain it, but their fire stuns enemies.

But as i say, my Ur-Drakons are practically unstoppable. My proud and joy is my Ur-Drakon, Dryss. He has 1650 health and he hits for 200-400. I have two others that are exactly the same level as each other. Htey both have 1598 health and they hit for the same as Dryss. They have defeated the Titan and all types of the Unbound with ease. I dare say their most valuable feature is the stun, and their ablitly to parry/dodge hits. I might even go so far as to say that they near the perfection of Fire-Shaping.

Ur-Drakons. Just read my motto

I must disagree with the wingbolt comment, If you bid a wingbolt against ONE of my Ur-Drakons then the wingbolt will be turned to ash. I recommend a full investment to level 20 fire shaping, which gives you nearly unstoppable Ur-Drakons. Though the eyebeast might be able to beat my Ur-Drakon, the eyebeast lost its power to stun in geneforge 4( or at least stun effectivly) thus giving Ur-Drakons the advantage since they seemed to have inherited it. I recommend fire shaping to the fullest. If your a lifecrafter that is.

I must disagree with the wingbolt comment, If you bid a wingbolt against ONE of my Ur-Drakons then the wingbolt will be turned to ash. I recommend a full investment to level 20 fire shaping, which gives you nearly unstoppable Ur-Drakons. Though the eyebeast might be able to beat my Ur-Drakon, the eyebeast lost its power to stun in geneforge 4( or at least stun effectivly) thus giving Ur-Drakons the advantage since they seemed to have inherited it. I recommend fire shaping to the fullest. If your a lifecrafter that is.