well thanx for your time jeff, it is appreciated for sure. i believe the problem is the very old monitors some of us are using. i know i for one am going to replace mine with a newer one, at least one with 32 bit ability. am sad this happened and hope that there isnt too many of us having this issue. SOOOO if i do find a new old monitor i will let you know how it all works out. again, it sucks but life goes on, right? but life without gf5, well that sucks. thanx for tryin and keep the good work up! rclear666 out