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Nioca: Quote: Neither side in this is innocent, but whatever crap is getting flung LT's way is being brought on by none other than himself. Have several members of the community, even myself, perhaps gone a bit too far in voicing their distaste of LT and his comments? Yes. Did LT take the first step across that line of decency, resulting in this mess to begin with? And did he then continue making prejudicial comments, insulting other members and regularly flaunting his capability to violate the CoC as well? Also yes. Even if those words aren't sincere, and this is just trolling, they still carry the same exact impact, and I, personally, believe they should be dealt with as such. And if those really are his opinions, he should take them elsewhere, because this isn't the place for them. Translated: "Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo, waa waa waa!"

Doh, that does suck. Hey, for once, we're in complete agreement!

IIRC, Medieval and Colonial Era Western nations either used to give you a good flogging or execution if you lost your musket. I wonder what they would do to you if you lost their equivalent of the Demonslayer?

If I'm trolling, why don't you just ignore me, you dumb chits?

GF1, Trajkov ending. I must say, the end game artwork in GF1 is the most refined in the GF series. Trajkov ending, pg 1 , Trajkov ending, pg 2 , Trajkov ending, pg 3 , Trajkov ending, pg 4 , Trajkov ending, pg 5 , Trajkov ending, pg 6 , Trajkov ending, pg 7

Geneforge 3, Rebel Ending: Rebel Pg 1 Rebel Pg 2 Rebel Pg 3 Rebel Pg 4 Rebel Pg 5 Rebel Pg 6 Rebel Pg 7 Rebel Pg 8 Rebel Pg 9 Rebel Pg 10 Rebel Pg 11 Rebel Pg 12 Rebel Pg 13 Rebel Pg 14 Rebel Pg 15 Rebel Pg 16

Nioca: Quote: As for me, I'm careful not to push my luck with the Administration, especially after having been warned by them. I never thought you were capable of producing an insult that was warning worthy.

I don't think so. I'm very careful not to repeat the same assertions ad nauseum, especially when they have been soundly refuted.

Quote: Originally written by Nioca: [QB] Are you obtuse?

Quote: Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar: [QB]Once again, the numbers show the inherent cowardice of Spiderweb members. There is always a large number of people who support the Awakened, yet, when the Awakened are taken out of the equation, many turn to the Shapers. This shows that most people support creation rights, but when it comes down to actually fighting for what you believe in, they are afraid to go the extra mile, and instead choose to flee back to the conservative side rather than take a chance with the Rebellion. Yep. A lot of these 'Rebel' sympathizers like Diki reminds me of those animal rights sympathizers. Intellectual mothertruckers sitting in front of their fireplace, swilling their red wine and pondering "Hmm, perhaps Bessie the Cow can feel pain and some measure of emotion. Perhaps it is unethical to turn her into dog mince?", but when they see terrorist actions by the Animal Liberation Front on their flat screen TV, recoil and empathatically protest "Oh hell no, we weren't condoning such brutish behaviour." where behaviour = anything that involves rectifying an unjust situation with more than just a limp wristed, half-hearted verbal commentary.

Nioca: Quote: Read as: I'm never going to admit that I might possibly be wrong, and thus will steer the debate away from those dangerous waters. Read as: I'm rather busy atm, so I wish to prioritise what we discuss. Quote: Fine, but that's still no justification for genocide. The Rebels didn't even grant the chance for Shapers to surrender. In the GF3 Rebel Ending (and the Taker ending), your PC is sent as a diplomat to the Shapers to tell them of the invasion. Naturally, the Shaper Council in Poryphra make it quite clear that they will never surrender. Quote: Whether or not they would have is moot, No, it's not moot. Shapers have been conditioned not to 'bow' to their Creations, hence there was no point of offering the Shapers a chance to surrender PRIOR to the invasion, because: 1. It would have been laughed at (witness GF2 Taker/Awakened ending). 2. The Rebels would have lost the element of surprise, which apart from the Geneforge, was the only advantage they have over the Shapers. 3. The diplomats would almost certainly have been killed (witness rebel endings to GF 1, GF 2, GF 3) But I do agree that once the invasion has been launched and the Rebels have some leverage, Shapers should be offered a chance to surrender and recant their anti-Creation ideology. And they were. None of them took it. Quote: all the more so because the global mindset of the sect does not represent the individual; I'm going to disagree with you, here. An individual wouldn't be a member of the Shaper sect unless they believed in the inferiority of their Creations, and their right to snuff out independent Creation life. In fact, having such an attitude is a prequisite for being allowed to progress in their sect. You might as well argue that being a fullly member of the KKK does not necessarily mean that you are racist (I thought I'd give you a break from the Nazi analogies ). Quote: the fact that they killed them simply because they're Shapers is genocide. No, it's called a pre-emptive strike. If the KKK declare a race war, the racial minorities will probably be targeting anyone wearing a white hood and chanting white supremacy slogans. I'd hardly call that genocide. In fact, I'd call it common sense. The problem is that individuals such as yourself and Diki think that the Shapers can be reasoned with by independent creations, when it's shown time and time again that Shapers will do nothing of the sort (unless it's a turncoat rebel). Just off the top of my head: 1. In the GF 1 loyalist ending, the Awakened are exterminated by the Shapers. 2. In the GF 2 loyalist ending, Medab is raised to the ground and the inhabitants enslaved. The Drakons in Zhass-Uss are destroyed. 3. In the GF 2 Awakened ending, the Awakened adopt your wet dream resistance, where they fight purely in self defense against waves of Shapers. The Shapers never let up, nor are they willing to acknowledge the existence of independent serviles and Drakons. 4. In the GF 3 Rebel ending, the Shapers make it clear that they will never surrender to their Creations. 5. In GF 4, Alwan makes it quite clear that he wishes to exterminate all Drayk life. This is despite the fact that Alwan is possibly one of the most progressive Shapers in the game. How on earth could a Drayk/Drakon negotiate with such a man? But by all means Nioca, tell me how independent serviles and Drayks can negotiate with the Shapers for autonomy, when Shaper ideology makes it quite clear that independent serviles and Drayks shouldn't exist in the first place? Such pipe dream thinking is the equivalent of thinking that the blacks could have negotiated with the KKK for freedom from discrimination, apartheid and racial hate back in the 1950's.

Xian Coins are probably the only useful Xian Item in Avernum 3.

The links to the GF3 editor are at the top of this forum...

Quote: Originally written by Xel'Raga: (Or the fact that LT is a drakon) > What the!? I don't 'like' Drakons any more than I 'like' humans. Trajkov is perhaps my favourite character in the series, and anyone with a tiny bit of sense would support the Taker GF1 ending, because it means: - A quick war against the Shapers (although the Sholai make use of spawners. *le gasp* Genocide! *gasp*). - Creation emancipation (Trajkov keeps his word to the serviles). - The throwing off of stifling Shaper rule, which most likely results in greater freedoms regarding Shaping and magic usage. - No Drakons, no Unbound, no Lilita, no Hoge, no Barzhal. - A happy and ethical ending for the PC.