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In Avernum 2, where is the line you cannot cross without registering? I know that you have to register to take the portal from the Vahnatai lands to the Tower (I registered right after hitting that point), but is there a limit on how much of the Vahnatai lands you can explore?

But not feeling comfortable with any faction is one of the things that makes the series great (at least in my opinion). There's no obvious good or evil, just different shades of grey. The choice of which shade is lighter is one of the best part of the games.

Ah. That explains it. I haven't played through all of the Spirit City. Rather, I ran through on my way to a certain Shaper. Apparently, I missed out. Now going to play through that part again.

Apropos of nothing, (always wanted to use that phrase): Where does it say that shaping was created on Sucia Island? I've played through all of G1, and I didn't notice anything about shaping starting on Sucia. It just reached the height of its art on Sucia. Thanks.

Torchlight is from Geneforge. And Icingdeath is the sword. I have yet to name a creation.

Something I did not know. Thanks.

Quote: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- edit: honestly can you imagine a drakon sweeping a floor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And i can`t imagine Monarch washing the toilet. ET has already pointed out the fallacy in this, but I'd like to add that this seems suspiciously like double standards to me. If we pointed out one war-crazy drakon to prove that all drakons are war-crazy, you'd (rightfully) shout us down. When you do the same things to humans, not a peep from your side. Also, if we make a mistake, we're ignoring facts. If you make a mistake, you're- actually, you haven't even tried to justify it yet, or admitted your mistake. It's as if it never happened. I'll admit that if their survival was at stake, drakons probably would eventually stoop to menial labor. (Although the transition would be smoother with humans.) Quote: Shapers would not accept drayks, there is no assumption here. The facts are that their existence is illegal. So are the Awakened, but if you run from Sucia Island in G1 without doing anything to Goettsch or Trajkov, the Shapers ally with the Awakened. And the Awakened never change their beliefs.

Quote: There is no way in hell shapers will team up with the drayks but drakons teamed up with rebel humans. If they knew what the drakons were capable of? After the Unbound? I'll admit that it's less likely to happen than not, but a team-up is possible. You can't just assume that it would never happen. (Of course, the Shapers would probably betray the drayks as soon as the drakons were dealt with.)

Dead? But we haven't beat nephil vs. slith yet! Seriously, it doesn't look good when you try to declare the argument over. It seems like you know you're beat but are trying to save face. I may be misreading your intent, but it does seem like you're giving up. And you're right. We are a riot. (I never claimed that we were always logical. Just that you weren't.)

I really hope this doesn't turn into another Drakon vs. human debate. We've already got one of those.

Quote: What does variety have to do with war anyway? The idea is efficiency. Any engineer will tell you that they want to use the same materials and resources for as many different jobs as possible. Making something completely new uses energy and is to be avoided. Very good point, and one that I don't think I can rebutt. So I guess I have to accept it. Quote: The drakons are the brains of the operation. I can't see how the guy tightening bolts on the incubation vats matters in this discussion. Yes. Who needs mechanics? I know what a car looks like, I can figure the rest out. Who needs people to build computers? I know what they look like and what they end up doing, so I can figure out the rest. And at the risk of being labelled politically incorrect, I would have to say that your average Pakinson's sufferer will accomplish less than your average healthy individual, and would be forced by the disease into inferiority by most of the standards used in this thread, by no fault of their own. Please don't flame me.

Quote: Originally written by Sir Spiff: I find that suicide squads, while effective, get boring quick. What are you talking about? That's my favorite tactic! (Assuming run in and bash it doesn't work.)

Ooh, pretty picture. (No sarcasm intended). And just so there are no misunderstandings, I wasn't questioning the existence of three types of Unbound. That was simply a new fact to me. And from the picture, they look very similar (apart from attack styles). I still say that three completely different creations show more variety than three creations that are basically the same thing wih different attacks. But at least the drakons have some variety.

There are three types of Unbound? This I did not know. Answer this question, though. How much difference is there between the three types? Or are they the same thing, just with different attack forms? (Now watch me be completely wrong and they be completely different.) Also, to answer your question, no, you have not met anyone superior to Monarch, Barzahl, or Trajkov. You also have not met the shaper council. I realize that this is pure conjecture, but it's also only guesswork whether Monarch is stronger than the council. And lastly, could you provide a quote showing that the drakons can control the Unbound without Blaze?