Emperor Tullegolar

Quote: Sushi: Anybody else considering buying a 24" imac just for the game? Anybody else already have a 24" imac? Ahem. *polishes badge* I feel like I'll be able to see whole zones at once with this thing. Quote: Silver Shadow: Less having to dump stuff in some location. Another idea rather than pack animals might be a something like a Diablo 2 style stash system. Each major city could have a stash just for you for storing items, and they would be linked to each other. I wouldn't want pack animals simply because I can just imagine them getting killed in a boss fight or something and there being tons of your loot lying around right in the middle of a hostile zone. No fun.

Quote: Originally written by Student of Trinity: They may not be openly all-out for canisters, at least not at first. There are many Shaper taboos, and the ones against self-shaping will probably not be the first to be abandoned. But I doubt anyone will have to push too far into the back rooms to find the canister stashes. I really hope there wouldn't be a theme of reluctance in a Barzite faction. I would prefer a more "we told you so, now let's embrace our birthright" attitude.

If there is an Awakened faction, there will be little room for a non-drakon type Rebellion faction. Unless those that break away from the Rebellion become the new Awakened. I think a Shaper split is more likely because as the Rebels continue to grow more and more powerful and the Shapers continue to run out of trained shapers, some will turn to canisters. Those some will technically be Barzites. I figure both splits will happen, still leaving room for the Trakovites. There's your five sects. I'm still hoping for that extra yourself faction, however. Jeff's included non-faction endings before, so who knows.

I anticipate the five factions will be: 1. Shapers, the usual. 2. Rebellion, with drakon leaders and human followers still. 3. Neo-Awakened, basically rebels minus the crazy people. 4. Trakovites, Jeff totally set them up in the last game. 5. See below. Quote: Originally written by Student of Trinity: Will the canister-mad humans ally with the Drakons against all orthodox Shapers and lesser beings, or with lesser humans against all creations and orthodox Shapers? If they are true Barzites, they would never ally with creations. That would just make them more rebels, wouldn't it? What makes the Barzites different from any other faction is that they are canister users who still hate creations, an ideology sorely underrepresented in the past two games. And they do not have to work alone, either. They are basically orthodox shapers who want to take that extra step to put creations back in their place, which totally constitutes a faction. With the Shapers needing to bend their rules more and more all the time, it would likely be a popular faction as well. They don't necessarily work only for their own benefit, either, unless they happen to be Tullegolites as well. Give them a new name, and you actually have a fairly logical faction: the people who hate creations because of the war and who intend to use all the power lying around to bring it to an end. Yes, they will probably end up crazy like the Barzites were, but that's the fun part. I can't understand why Jeff has left this ideology out of the games for so long. If he leaves this option out again, I will be disappointed.

At last, the Shaper Council! About time we got to meet them... before the ending. I just hope the anti-creation pro-self-shaping faction is as cool as the Barzites were. It will be great to once again have access to a faction that is more close to my personal beliefs. You do have an anti-creation, pro-self-shaping faction in there with the five, right?

Quote: Originally written by Spidweb: They go in early, unload their devastating attacks to shock/awe the enemy, and retreat while the warriors/creations go in and take advantage of the disarray. That seems logical to me. And even though I'm so strategist in-game myself, I'm pretty sure that's exactly how a lot of players use them.

... with man boobs?

I would gladly provide all necessary drawings to anyone with the technical knowhow.

Quote: Originally written by Nikki.: Nice pic Tully. But didn't Litalia wear blue? Technically, yes. But I look at the in-game graphics as more like place holders than anything else. I imagine the following color scheme: Shapers-blue, Rebels-red, Barzites-green, Trakovites-yellow, Awakened-sky blue. You can often see these colors worn by the human soldiers guarding the respective faction's towns, others I made up because them seemed appropriate. As for the fighting game, I don't think they should be allowed to use magic at all. Just fists. The game would also assume the all had the same strength level. The only differences would be their special attacks, an arcane blast for characters like Erika, temporary creations for the shapers, etc. Finally, a character I would like to fight as would have to be Limoncelli.

Anyone else go to Dikiyoba's link and get the awesome Scientology ad halfway through the article? Clearly Diki has turned to the dark side, well done.

Quote: Originally written by madrigan: It would be funny to have a Streetfighter style Avernum vs. Geneforge game, though. Best idea I've heard in forever on this site. Who is the true Queen of Badass?

Great, I have to register for that now, too? Why are you making this so difficult? Why not just make articles open to everyone for editing, stuff would be getting done.

I'm going to have to disagree on the Tor point. A novel idea, sure, but it is highly unlikely that he was the only one to hold the position of official greeter and even less likely that he himself thought up the idea of giving everyone exiled an equal start. More points for Micah, I'd say. Also, if we were to count Vahnatai, I don't think Bon was a very effective one. His heart was in the right place, but human-vahnatai relations were always and are still crap, probably worse than ever now with the murder of Rentar, a vahnatai who actually did more than anyone other individual of her species to help Avernum in the Empire War.

Quote: madrigan: Quote: Ephesos: My nomination would probably be Bon-Ihrno, assuming he's eligible. Maybe Bon is Avernum's Marquis de Lafayette. That was exactly what I was thinking when I read what Ephesos wrote. One certainly wouldn't call Lafayette the greatest American, no matter how pivotal he was.

Erika, despite practically exiling herself from the rest of Avernum by moving to the distant Northwest, was probably the most proactive citizen in Avernum's history. Micah was the first king, and thus gets points for establishing a government in caves filled with people who hate government, but it was always Erika that kept it safe while he concerned himself with the bureaucracy. Erika helped make the caves habitable, and she helped start and win the Empire War. In the end, she gave her life in her nation's defense, how can you argue against that? If Micah is the Washington of Avernum then Erika would be the Jefferson. I personally think Jefferson did more for America than Washington, and I feel the same way about Erika. Washington always tried to keep the peace within the government, and was loved for it, while Jefferson was sort of the first partisan ever. Still, being a partisan, he got things done, and Erika was the same way.