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Lolz. U using gameplay here for argument. In any case he can protect his city. He can't do better than that. Tbh please sidetrack the game. Save this one and try to do his quest. To see what he's up against. Did you try refusing to give the canister to lankan?

Dinwanya(im sure im misspelling) wasn't bent on "killing horribly". The rogues were created by litalia. And even so he did the best he could to keep the people safe. He also forbade the gatherers to continue their trade exactly with mind to keep them safe. Like what you say is true in most cases but this specific you are generalising shapers into that kid. He did his best. And in all honesty seems to have had potential to become one of the good non tyranical shapers in different situations. But i'll let it rest. In this case what i do is ask you to one; read the shaper's notes on his basement. And two having previously saved the game. Refuse to give the canister to lankan when you're on your way back. Otherwise i hope you enjoy the game. It is the ugly duckling of the geneforge series. The previous ones are much better. But this is fun.

True. Even the current Portuguese Hymn is an adultered version of a poem that says lets march against the Bretons in the and(was changed into lets march against the cannons). And since the tordesilhas treaty basically devided the world into Portuguese or Spanish by right(for colonisation that is) it would make sense that they wouldn't look too kindly on English maritime expansion. Well that not withstanding. Its hard to imagine that scurvy and vitamin c were a very well kept state secret for the Iberian peninsula. Im sorry about making a whole fuss on this. Just bugs me that this specific problem could be easily avoided.

Lankan is not on the winning side. Dinwanya can barely hold a few areas but he is doing better than the rebels which depend on litalia's very little and unreliable support. That being said just because lankan is unwilling to compromise(unlike dinwanya despite what he says) makes me completely off him. He is more arrogant than the shaper. With less reason to be. And more willing to sacrifice the lives of his subjects than dinwanya(who is not begging for validation, simply asking you to solve the rogue problem unlike lankan who says let the rogues be just gimme power) im sorry but in g3 litalia makes a more convincing argument to join the rebels than lankan.

True but Britain was also about the only country that bought Portuguese wine. That should count for something. Besides a considerable amount of British navy was mercenary. Hell colombus himself was Italian. Though to be fair that was much later.

Idk i found myself too busy hating on lankan and master hoge and some other ppl on g3 to dislike her. By g4 she was acceptable. And so it begins Alhoon's conversion arc. I'll later make a small cartoon on it.

Tru but in that case, tirany, power,abuse, obnoxiousness, pomposity, genocide, slavery, stubbornness, drive, determination, bullying, naïveté, shaper, rebelion, geneforge, canisters, doomsday devices, diseases, even life itself. Everything can be subjective, but for sake of argument and society we place set limits on deviation from the meaning. Were those not there, anyone could be committed or arrested because crime would be subjective as well.

Thats Guillermo del Toro. I'll get the director's cut.

Alhoon you've reached your final form! You just made insanity subjective to win the argument! High five! Im impressed by your devotion to the cause.

Also to this day the average human can tell that oranges(and other citruses) have vitamin C. While most don't know potatoes do. Tbh though im more familiar with the treaty of tordesilhas age of discovery than the British one. In retrospect the Spanish and the Portuguese started it all and did it before the British. A little communication would have saved British sailors a lot of pain.

Shapers are tyranical and autocratic and arrogant expecting obedience and reverence and treating all against their laws with disdain and spite. But for most part they are sans, exceptions usually involve canisters. The rest include taygen, moseh and that may well be it. Rawal is not mad. Self serving not mad. And monarch is never confirmed to be a shaper or not(i myself find it unlikely that he was). True. Greta is not a life crafter(neither is the fool at the kyshak ruins(katra?) He is learning shaping, canisters make it inate to you. In the text it says something on the lines of he was making some kind of artila but it looked imperfect. And even if he was a lifecrafter too canisters are bound to make him crazy. Also saying drakons are sane for drakons is as helpful as saying eyebeasts are sane for eyebeasts. Drakons were made from and drayks are generally more sane than drakons. Drakons then indulge in self shaping making newer generation progressively less sane. The effects of self shaping are the same as for using canisters. A few older drakons refrained from self shaping much. those are saner. Bringing me back to the fact that the rebel approach on shaping is bound to bring insane "shapers". While the shaper approach to shaping might miss a few insane people into their ranks, but it is rare. The whole rebel approach on shaping is why shapers worldwide go with "thats why shaper laws exist! Not for avarice but to avoid stuff like this! Look at the horrors of the rebelion. Us shapers follow rules. We would never have created the unbound if our lives depended on it. Tsk tsk geneforged people are abomination all power no control. Us the shaper master race go through years of training decades even to get the right to that power. The rebellion's existence is an exercise in futility as it proves the righteousness of the shapers" Annnnnnd they are right on those points. The closest to unbound they have made were drayks. Which they barred because they were too difficult/impossible to control, as such born rogue. And yes there are people that took few canisters. But while shaper training conditions you to resist it(as evidenced by dinwanya) rebel training conditions you to seek them out and love and revere them. Like i said, sane shapers are the law sane lifecrafters are the exception. Of course an insane shaper tends to do way more damage than an insane lifecrafter. Probably due to the means available.

Thanks, i was hoping for a no massacre option.

Any place will do even the floor on where you stand if your memory is good enough. You can sell it too. That being said; avadon related posts would get more help in the avadon section not the general one. http://spiderwebforums.ipbhost.com/index.php?/forum/19-avadon-series/

There you are! True but the rule for shapers is sanity and control, which is the exception for lifecrafters(that i know of only greta). What with heavy canister abuse. Shapers are not perfect but they are much less likely to be insane. Yes she did think he'd try killing her. But she could have left him with the black pit.

How do you get the healing secrets? How do you get into the library? If you got gryfin's invitation is it possible to get tawon's as well? If so how?

True, but its what i said earlier, she doesn't enjoy her actions. She doesn't mind them either. Thus she's a sociopath not a psychopath. And she always did her actions knowingly, it ptoves even more on g5 that she does what seems necessary if no one else would do it. She actually in geneforge 4 saved a huge amount of humans by stealing the key to monarch's black pit. Which again proves that she doesn't believe in pointless violence she does it when it feels necessary. And of course she shows no reluctance. If you as a leader show reluctance in attacking the enemy what good does it do to morale? Someone has to make the others feel like its the right choice. Its how military and leadership works. In thats aspect she is no different from any other shaper when ordering the execution of a rogue. And true. The human part of the rebelion had lesser stakes than the rest but its up to them to decide qho they kill or die for. Like they usually say; better to die on your feet than live on your knees. That is not to say she wasn't a bad person that commited horrible atrocities. Simply that its not all black and white, and she's more complicated than that. This being said, alhoon pal; did the shaper propaganda get to you? Months back you were a good decent die hard rebel. What happened to the alhoon i knew? What did you do to them?

I don't think thats what she meant. In g3 she is a terrorist, but she doesn't do it because she enjoy it. But because she thinks its right. Not only that, towards the end she actually starts questioning her methods and motivations. In g3 she appears mostly altered by canister cravings though. In g4 she starts seeing the worth of trajkovite ideology. She is still a rebel but she sees wisdom in their thoughts on shaping. So unbound... No i dont think she got thrills out of the destruction she was to make. Simply she, greta and everyone knew, without the unbound the rebelion would end

Famously brought to our attention by sailors in the age of discovery. They'd travel for months with non perishable food which in general lacks vitamin C(cept pickles) The result is horrible gingivitis orange and weak teeth. Some ammount of pain . It is also known as avitaminosis C.

Litalia was simply an extremist. Granted. Logically in a world built on tiranies extremism is the easiest/fastest way to achieve goals. The fact that it doesn't gall her be a harbinger and catalyst of destruction sugests she's a sociopath. The fact that she doesn't necessarily enjoy her actions erase the possibility of her being crazy/psychopath. In general i think she's just a rebel without a cause and overly determined in her short term goals as a way to avoid thinking about the long term ones

So the spiral library thing. When i talk to her she says i want to trust you but i cant etc etc... And i cant do her quest. Did i do anything wrong? Will she change her mind later? Im having a similar problem with silena her quest won't start. I just finished everything in the warborn sequence. Edit: yah it finally happened.

Yah. I figured self interest would work best as none of your decisions are necessarily right. Might as well get the best i can from this. And true this might yet be the best avadon. It is frustrating, but oddly satisfying at points. Although the bootlicker extraordinaire thing better pay off. I playing for way too many teams. Redbeard new status update would be something like; 7 billion people 14 billion faces. Poor guy.

I just reached avadon. So here i am after dealing with nature and some more nature and its all so natural i became a compost heap. That while thwarting some bad guys and making peace deals. And at this point i am so confused about how this all goes. I.e. how many shaman factions exist? Free people? Why is everyone from that area bent on being a special snowflake? They are not. literally all shamans say the same things. What is Redbeard doing alive? I've killed him twice with a lot of effort put into it. Srsly he should stay dead. Why is everyone so bent on recruiting me and at the same time wont believe im on their side. How many factions are there!? People that should be on the same side are separately trying to recruit me? How am i going to survive rudow's quest the is only so much nature i can handle at once. Are there cities i can quest in? Civilisation? In retrospect, i remember i asked for this on the warborn discussion thread. The relatively unclear beginning and being left on the dark part mystery kinda thing part. Its great. But I feel sorry for the hand i am. Already miss the quiet simple life of a scout and not having to deal with people and politics. But such is life.

Hmm... After you get the quest from Redbeard himself you should go out to the main map. you'll find the place there. there should be a shaman lady that opens your way in the entrance of the area. If the way is opened the rebels are on the northeast quadrant in the are. In the very unlikely event that you actually killed the rebels. Loading an earlier save would work.

I withdraw my half hearted khalida support. Her quests are always problematic but this is verging on dedrick. Srsly... The woman needs to chill.

Well you get the option to help the vahnathai cure rentar. Or you can kill her. Both affect the end in a way. The moral dilemma being; do we try to save a murderous powerful psycho or do we kill it and by doing it ostracise the race. Such difficult choice... What to do. What to do...