Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 The warrior or guardian is a fighting tank. Plenty of strength for heavy armor to protect him and endurance so you can wait on healing. This allows you to rely less on spells to even up the odds in a fight. There are three versions. The first is the melee fighter that closes with the enemy and hacks until dead. Stength, melee weapon, and quick action skills are primary, but get some missle weapon skill to pick off the stray target on the edge of a swarm so you don't have to chase after missle type creations like artilas. The second is a missle fighter that emphasizes dexterity and missle weapon skills. You do less damage, but you don't have to chase down your targets. The last is the squadron fighter that directs creations to assist in the fights. This requires more intelligence and some shaping skills in one class to make powerful helpers. Parry is not that useful anymore at 2% per level in melee and 1% per level versus missle attacks. It's better to put the skill points towards more health with endurance or armor/resistance with luck. When fighting groups of foes it helps to have either a favorable position where only a few can attack you or use mental magic to daze and/or control your foes. Terror wands are nice near the start of the game, but you spend time chasing after foes running in different directions and it will wear off before you get them all. Now planting yourself in a doorway or corner and toss a bile-infused crystal or later lightning crystal at a swarm weakens them while you deal with those nearest you. Be sure to upgrade your weapon. The stunning blade in Whitespires Pass, the flaming blade in Kratoa Stoneworks, the oozing blade in Lerman's Pass, or the frozen blade in the Foundry Repository are all steps on the way to the puresteel blade at 25-125 base damage. Similarly javelins, steel javelins, venom baton, acid baton, submission baton are steps towards the reaper baton. Don't worry there are plenty of turrets to harvest more in reaper thorns even if it makes the shaper there hostile. You can get spell training in Harai-Kel from Quothe and it gets cheaper after doing his quest to visit Gorash-Kel. That gives you two levels and you can craft smoking gauntlets for 3 more levels. Firesteel gauntlets at the end are +5 so you can cast most spells without investing skill points in them. This will let you do acid shower and other spells to weaken foes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Slarty's posted this warning elsewhere already, but it's important to know: use the Warrior, not the Guardian. The Guardian gets more essence at the start but soon falls behind. How do batons stack up later on? Reaper damage scales up faster than any other attack type in the game; is this reflected in in-game damage numbers? It seems like a dedicated missile character should be able to consistently outdamage a melee character once he gets hold of a reaper baton, even when you take Quick Action into account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted November 28, 2008 Author Share Posted November 28, 2008 I never got to run a dedicated missle character past the North Mera Road fight with Koski. At missle weapons 10 and dexterity 8, I was still doing less damage than with my sword that had original melee weapons and strength for the armor I was wearing. Reapers seemed to do decent damage with moderate missle weapons and some dexterity, but no where near the 300+ per hit that a puresteel blade does at the end and I was still getting about 150 per hit with a frozen blade with a dedicated melee guardian and usually a second hit from quick action. I think I got about 100 damage per reaper with 8 missle weapons and 8 dexterity, but I probably needed more for missle weapons and shouldn't have wasted time with parry. Essence was always a problem for the guardian. I suppose Jeff will correct that error eventually, but that was the main reason I never made creations except to finish the expert dungeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug shadowss Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 I've spent at least 4 hours attempting to plunder a specific box inside Gorash Kel. Specifically it was th eblue middle box at the NW corner of teh citadel, where there is a constant Unbound drakon standing, as well as two more patting into the room. Im sharing this because the contents of the box was a Shaped blade(14-70), which I found to be much more useful then the stunning blade. Once done I thought of enchanting it with an Ameythst crystal for the acid debuf, but alas I accidentally saved the game after enchanting it with faster blows (lol). Throw some more points into quick action and melee with this and I found myself one shooting nearly every creature throughout the Mera Tev. EDIT: On hindsight I guess my mistake has helped me to slaughter rogues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 If you managed to get the shaped blade before you got through Mera, without using cheats or scripts, I would like to ask, how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Sneaking. Lots and lots of sneaking. On lower difficulty settings it's also feasible to just kill all the Unbound, one by one. Hell, you might be able to do this on Torment if you feel like saving and reloading a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Øther Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 And saving and loading. Lots of that to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 8, 2009 Author Share Posted March 8, 2009 Synergy sneaked around Gorash-Kel and looted everything but that one blue box. It's hard to kill Unbound in Gorash-Kel without lots of health and plenty of healing pods early in the game above Normal difficulty. Once you get to Stormhold and the heal spell it's easier. I suppose with the right creations to withstand area effect spells it's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug shadowss Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 How'd I get it? What they said, I sneaked and looted most of Gorash Kell quick saving as I went. They key part for me was watching the damned patrols. At the NW room, the main problem was the Unbound patrolling N and S into the room directly under it. To solve this and have some breather space I ran into through the west door outside, and saved there. Afterward I commenced a lot of reloading attempting to steal it without getting caught. At the end I did end up getting caught, but by a stroke of luck I resisted/parried several of the unbound attack and got out alive. I do have a question though, I just got the flaming blade from Kratoa Stoneworks but I'm not sure if I should vendor it versus the shaped blade. EDIT: When I did this I found the patrol to be erratic, almost never taking the same time to patrol. generally I would stand near the door and watch till he leaves, run to the SE pillar, end turn loot and GTFO, but the 3d round's normally where I got caught, and squished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 8, 2009 Author Share Posted March 8, 2009 The flaming blade has a better chance of hitting, but the better blades are the oozing blade from Lerman's Pass or the frozen blade from the Foundry Repository for its slight draining ability. You could enhance the shaped blade for acid damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Øther Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 I always think of the flaming blade as good (does fire damage), the frozen blade as better (I have no idea why a frozen sword steals life), and the oozing sword as best, expesially with a good enchantment. Hooray for acid damage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Desmarestia Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 The flaming and frozen blades don't do those things. The flaming blade hurts undead, while the frozen blade curses. Of course, you can always enchant them so their names actually make sense. Or just do what I do and slap on a runed amethyst ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 8, 2009 Author Share Posted March 8, 2009 The frozen blade curses and occasionally drains life from a target to heal you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Desmarestia Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Really? My mistake. I never noticed the life draining effect. Of course, the draining effect is pretty subtle anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Øther Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 All the blades hurt undead, its in their descriptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 The "hurt undead" effect is pretty useless, though: there are maybe three places in the game where you actually fight undead, and the increase in damage (if it exists at all) is so small that it doesn't make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Øther Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Thats probably why they made it more effective against constructs too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug shadowss Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 That's odd randomizer, cuz I have not missed an attack in a while. Also I planed to enhance it with acid, but didn't realize I did faster blows lol. Thanks for the advice anyway, gonna hit Lerman's pass soon. EDIT: What the hell is a construct? Do they mean golems and such? EDIT2: Wouldn't it be possible to still use the shaped blade and enchant it to get similar effects to the frozen/flaming/oozing blades? Brainless Void 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 9, 2009 Author Share Posted March 9, 2009 Constructs were a new way of classifying summoned shades which had previously been called undead. Radiance was redefined from GF4 to specifically act on them. The drayk in West Shadow Road summons constructs. Yes you can enchant shaped blades and the puresteel blade near the end. It's just some people take the frozen/flaming/oozing blades and enchant them for extra damage or other effects like slowing (really helpful in long fights). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Øther Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Strange. I always thought of constructs as golems and pylons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug shadowss Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Yeah me2 Doom, must be the Construct-ion or Warcraft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Namine Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Does anyone know why Jeff made the warrior and the guardian stats uneven? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted July 11, 2009 Author Share Posted July 11, 2009 Part of it was a holdover from GF4 where the guardian character wasn't available for players and Jeff just transfered the stats over without making them similar to the warrior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Namine Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 oh i see thx. Do you think Jeff will fix the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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