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Posted 23 June 2006 - 11:26 AM #1 BoA BUGS v6.0

The topic lives, despite flames and spamming on  the previous incarnation ! For anyone unfamiliar with the concept, here are the ground rules:

1. Bugs should be real bugs. That means you should be able to give precise instructions about how to reproduce them. They are not features that you wish were included but aren't. They must be things that don't work as described (or really ought to be described differently).

2. They should not already be listed either in this post or on  Spidweb\'s bugs page . We want new bugs, if they exist.

3. If you have any further information about a bug (it's been fixed, for example), post and say so. I have notes in parentheses after many bugs.

Known undocumented bugs/problems in Mac-BoA v1.1.2 or Win-BoA v1.0.3:
Scripting problems
* Items don't stack when given via char_give_item (so if you give three potions of the same kind, the character ends up with three different potions). This doesn't happen with reward_give or other item management calls as far as I know.
* Sometimes searchable terrain breaks. For certain terrain with the searchable and container attribute, they are only searchable if there is something inside the container. This means that the call te_can_look_at doesn't do a lot. Additionally, sometimes terrain becomes searchable for reasons that are obscure to me (custom hills, for instance). I can provide a scenario demonstrating this if needed.
* The call put_stain_on_space sometimes does nothing when attempting to remove a stain. This is a bit unpredictable, but most of the time that I've tried it, it does nothing. It also works fine putting a stain down, just not removing it.
* As described  here , in a dialog box, choosing the second dialog choice always returns the number 2, even if the dialog choice was added as the third option.
* Custom scripts for joined NPCs don't do much. Everything except the DEAD_STATE is ignored. (Is this still true? Do any other states work?)
* The call num_killed_in_town always returns 0. (I have not verified this.)
* The call create_text_bubble cannot be called from a terrain script, even though the docs say that it can. (I have not verified this.)
* Something odd and undocumented is going on with the clear_town call. The description of the problem is  here .
* The calls set_terrain, set_floor, and set_height only inconsistently work outdoors. They most often do nothing.

Corescendata and default graphic errors
* In corescendata, Augmented Giant (creature 135) ought to have the line "cr_which_sheet_upper = 1618;"
* The default rakshasa image needs realignment -- it has a black line on it.
* The slith avatar, in order to match Avernum 1, should not have the graphic of a gorgon, which is what it has now. Two calls need to be added: cr_which_sheet = 1532 and cr_icon_adjust = 2, as Bahssikava does.
* In corescendata2.txt Terrains #172 and #173 (fences) have an incorrect name. The line te_name = "Fence"; needs to be added to them.
* In corescendata2.txt Terrain #331 and #332 (underground hillside cave entrances) import the incorrect terrain. This causes problems with the automatic hills functionality of the editor. It will also cause the party to be drawn incorrectly when upon these terrains.
* In corescendata2.txt Terrain #367 (ruined statue) is missing the upper half. The lines te_second_icon = 1; and te_second_icon_offset_y = -55; need to be added to correct this.
* Graphics sheet 680, icon 52, is incorrectly drawn. It needs to be flipped horizontally to be correct.
* Graphics sheet 768, icon 8, has 3 off-white pixels.
* The efreet (creature 174) has cr_natural_armor defined twice, the first time as 15 and the second time as 50.
* The default Eyebeast graphic (1552) has its icons in the wrong order. This means that the creature will appear to be facing south when it's actually facing north in the editor, east when west, west when south, and north when east.
* As far as I can tell, aranea (and elder aranea) default to carrying pots. I'm assuming that item 373 was aranea fangs, once upon a time.
* Floors 85 and 86 have fl_ed_which_icon reversed. Floor 85 should have icon 7, and floor 86 should have icon 6.
* The default Asp graphic (1551) has its icons in the wrong order. North and west are reversed.
* Graphic 1654 in Blades of Avernum Art (the swarthy gal with a green shirt and brown armor) has no sword-with-shield-and-armor graphic. The graphic of her armored with sword-and-shield is missing the shield.

Documentation problems
* The call move_to_new_town can't be called from an INIT_STATE, a START_STATE, a creature script, or a terrain script, even if you distance the call from the state with set_state_continue, run_town_script, or run_scenario_script. (I put this under documentation because apparently this would be hard to change.)
* The call it_bonus may be described inaccurately. It does not provide any protection for rings, necklaces, and bracelets, and instead of preventing the given amount of damage, it prevents a random amount of damage up to the given amount. (I have not verified this.)
* The call get_unlock_spell_strength is undocumented.
* The constants BASE_TRAP_XP (which is 50) and NUM_CHARS (which is 120) are not documented. In fact, it'd be nice to have a list of constants somewhere like  the one that Khoth posted . Also, the other reserved variable names (like the Spidweb-bug-page-listed "shop") should be listed somewhere.
* As far as I can tell, the attitude of the party is 0, which should be mentioned under the get_attitude description.
* Arguably not a documentation problem, using force_start_day(-1) makes what_day_of_year always return 0, but what_day_of_scenario still works fine. This should at least be mentioned somewhere. Also, what_day_of_scenario starts at 0, despite the fact that the games in-game calendar starts at 1, which should at least be mentioned.

Miscellaneous engine issues
* Outdoors signs don't work sometimes. (Does this still not work? Jeff claims that he fixed it for v1.1.2.)
* If cursed items are placed on ground/in a container in the editor, they lose their cursed ability.
* Enter-combat-end-combat bug: you can get placed in totally nonsensical locations when ending combat. If you enter and then end combat immediately, you get placed one space forward. This allows you to skip special rectangles extremely easily unless specifically prevented from doing so by a designer.
* Beam projectors malfunction wildly in close quarters, next to walls, in varying heights, etc. I have a small utility scenario to demonstrate a number of ways in which this can occur.
* When a regular PC is next to a spot and you look at that spot, you search the spot. If only a joined NPC (and not a regular NPC) is next to a spot, however, you don't search the spot. (It just seemed odd to me. Not sure it's a "bug" bug, though.)
* Putting a town border right next to the edge of the town causes weird behavior: you can't exit the town, the town doesn't match the edge, etc.
* When a creature can't get to a location that it's trying to get to, the game slows to a crawl. For example, when a creature gets lured out of a building through an open door, the door gets closed, and then the creature tries to return_to_start, the game slows. (This has been reported on Windows, and I have not verified it personally.)
* Unlike the traditional Orb of Thralni, items with it_ability_1 = 213 can give the party extra rounds of flight while the party is still in the air.
* When a statistic gets very large (perhaps over 100 or 200), the game will eventually give a message saying, "Error: File corruption caused too-high skill. Skill being reset to 0. Can correct it manually with editor." This is a problem for very high-level parties, which should naturally have Health at these levels.

Unhandled Exceptions
Various things cause Unhandled Exception errors on Windows that cause BoA to quit entirely without giving a proper error message. These are extremely hard to debug for Mac designers, since they do not reproduce in the same way on a Mac, except for a few that are noted. Among them:
* Using a terrain or floor graphic that doesn't exist. This is a problem with wallsets that are not complete, for example: if you place a wall with a door from a wallset that doesn't include a door (ie, cave wall), this causes an unhandled exception.
* Setting a creature facing a direction greater than 7 -- ie, set_character_facing(6,8).
* Running the death animation of a creature with cr_small_or_large_template set wrong -- that is, if the creature's graphic is small but cr_small_or_large_template = 1 in the scenario's custom objects script, then BoA crashes without an error message and quits. This happens on Mac, too.
* Over-running the string limit. I got an unhandled exception in Vasskolis when I tried to display a message from the text buffer that was longer than 256 characters. I'm not sure if over-running the text buffer itself was the problem or if trying to display it was the problem, but either way, the over-long string didn't give the over-long string error like it does on a Mac.
* If you try to use a string variable while nothing's in it (i.e., you forgot the get_buffer_text call), BoA dies. On Mac-BoA v1.1.2, it crashes, gives no error message, and quits. I got this with a message_dialog call, but I imagine a print_str or text bubble would give the same response. Also, using a dialog string with nothing in it causes the same error.
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Posted 23 June 2006 - 11:28 AM #2 BoA BUGS v6.0

New bug, causing the need to revive the topic: as far as I can tell, the attitude of the party is 0. One might expect it to be 3 (party-friendly), but I don't think that it is. I don't think that the docs mention this (although I may have missed it), and they should.

Also, I've pared down the list very slightly, getting rid of the more ridiculous bugs ("sometimes I see crashes").

EDIT: When a statistic gets very large (typically over 100 for normal stats, 200 for Useful Skills, although I can't say for sure that it's consistent), the game will eventually (when the stat gets checked, perhaps?) give a message saying, "Error: File corruption caused too-high skill. Skill being reset to 0. Can correct it manually with editor." This is a problem for very high-level parties (say, 50 or above), which should naturally have Health above 500. This doesn't seem to have any in-game effect (except a weird 0 on the stat sheet), but it's annoying to get these error messages.
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Posted 23 June 2006 - 01:45 PM #3 BoA BUGS v6.0

I believe that if a secondary skill other than health is set to 0, it really is treated as 0.  However, I have only seen this happen with god parties so I do not think it is a terrible problem.  Personally, I think that if debug mode were expanded upon so that, for instance, one could change stats in game or enter some invincible god mode, there would not be a need for god parties for scenario testing.

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 09:16 PM #4 BoA BUGS v6.0

Another constant to watch out for is "shop".  I don't know if this has a VALUE or not, but if you use it as a variable, your script will crash.
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Posted 24 June 2006 - 12:41 AM #5 BoA BUGS v6.0

Yes, there really does need to be full documentation of the reserved variable names somewhere. "shop" is already mentioned in SW's tech support page, but there are definitely others.

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 04:27 AM #6 BoA BUGS v6.0

It is worth noting that what_day_of_year() always returns a value of 0 if used with force_start_day(). In other words, the value for what_day_of_year fails to increment with each passing day.

The way around it is by using the what_day_of_scenario() call which works correctly in conjunction with force_start_day().
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Posted 24 June 2006 - 08:11 AM #7 BoA BUGS v6.0

It's true that cursed items uncurse if placed in a container/on the ground. Strange.
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Posted 24 June 2006 - 03:35 PM #8 BoA BUGS v6.0

Three small additions in light of recent posts: additional reserved variable names, the mixed time calls issue, and verification of the cursed item bug.
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Posted 02 July 2006 - 02:23 PM #9 BoA BUGS v6.0

Either there is no get_max_energy(); call, or there is no such call in the docs.

Either way, this should be fixed.
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Posted 02 July 2006 - 09:51 PM #10 BoA BUGS v6.0

I didn't see that this was mentioned somewhere, so I thought to just say it:

The documentation says that the calls set_terrain, set_floor and set-height can be used outdoors. However, every time when I tried it, nothing happened to the outdoor terrian.
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Posted 02 July 2006 - 10:49 PM #11 BoA BUGS v6.0

I've gotten set_terrain to work in an outdoor script as part of a special encounter with dialog box choices, but it won't work in any of the other states.
(It's very annoying too..)
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Posted 03 July 2006 - 10:59 AM #12 BoA BUGS v6.0

I have found an issue:

When importing any of the wallset terrains into a later spot, the walls no longer draw correctly on the automap in the game under certain circumstances.

For example: I imported the four doors from the first wallset into spots 404, 405, 406 & 407 in order to remove their default scripts.

However, they no longer draw on the automap when the party is viewing them from beyond their blocked side.

In terms of the logic of the automap coding, you can see why this might be the case, but nevertheless it should be noted and (perhaps?) dealt with.

EDIT: I have just found a way around the problem cited in the example. To delete a terrain script from a terrain space which has one by default, just use the "Delete Object" tool. However, the issue remains. It may no longer be relevent, though.

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 07:44 PM #13 BoA BUGS v6.0

Graphic 1654 in Blades of Avernum Art (the swarthy gal with a green shirt and brown armor) has no sword-with-shield-and-armor graphic.  The graphic of her armored with sword-and-shield is missing the shield.
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 06:15 AM #14 BoA BUGS v6.0

Adding the what_day_of_scenario starting at day 0 thing under documentation issues.

  
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I have just found a way around the problem cited in the example. To delete a terrain script from a terrain space which has one by default, just use the "Delete Object" tool. However, the issue remains. It may no longer be relevent, though.
Does anyone know to what problem he is referring? The "example"?

I'm going to look closer at a couple of other problems before adding them.
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 06:36 AM #15 BoA BUGS v6.0

the call what_day_of_scenario() appears to always return the number of days - 1. This appears to be normal...

So, if its day 3, what_day_of_scenario will return 2.
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 08:37 PM #16 BoA BUGS v6.0

Quote:
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Quote:
Originally written by Nicholas Bellerophon:
I have just found a way around the problem cited in the example. To delete a terrain script from a terrain space which has one by default, just use the "Delete Object" tool. However, the issue remains. It may no longer be relevent, though.
Does anyone know to what problem he is referring? The "example"?
The problem he had was that he created a duplicate of the door terrain which didn't have a default terrain script, but the door terrain he created didn't appear as a door on the automap.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 08:56 PM #17 BoA BUGS v6.0

A person could also just change to terrain script to something other than door.txt by first clicking on the door, and then clicking on the word "script" as it displays under the map.
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Posted 10 July 2006 - 04:09 PM #18 BoA BUGS v6.0

As far as I can tell, terrains 172 and 173 (in addition to being mis-named) default to not showing up on the automap. I tried to add the line

te_draw_on_automap = 1;

but this did not seem to help. Their graphics are properly set. Can anyone figure out what the problem with these terrains is?
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Posted 10 July 2006 - 04:34 PM #19 BoA BUGS v6.0

It may well be that since the graphics are so overwhelmingly white that when the graphic is truncated, none of the actual pixels appear since there's not enough of them.
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 07:16 AM #20 BoA BUGS v6.0

So, this is really more of a perennial bump than anything... I'll go ahead and put this in the forum header as well.

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 07:22 AM #21 BoA BUGS v6.0

New bug: This one drove me nuts for two days when I was working on FB.

It is known that joined NPC's don't run their default scripts properly, and that only their dead state is ever called. What isn't known (or at least what I didn't know) is that they don't run ANY script until they exit and reenter town. This means that if you add an NPC in town 0 with a unique dead state, he better not die while still in town 0 or nothing will happen. Suggestion: accompany any joined NPCs with a move_to_new_town() call, even if it's just re-entering the same town you're already in. Otherwise you might get burned.
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 04:50 AM #22 BoA BUGS v6.0

It's been a while since I discovered this, but the maximum string limit is 254 characters, not 255 characters (at least with string literals; don't know about the buffer).

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:25 AM #23 BoA BUGS v6.0

When creating dialogue you're supposed to use underscores for quotation marks, since using quotations marks will end the text.  However, if you put underscores in the script for a shop description, they show up as underscores instead of quotation marks.

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Outdoors signs don't work sometimes. (Does this still not work? Jeff claims that he fixed it for v1.1.2.)
I've never seen outdoor signs malfunction, so I think Jeff fixed that.

Edit:  Version 6.0?  That's strange.
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 12:52 PM #24 BoA BUGS v6.0

I remember when my outdoor signs in DoK stopped working, then sometimes just clearing their content every so often... that was annoying.

As for the quotation marks, you can just use an apostrophe... another workaround. Yay.

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 01:22 PM #25 BoA BUGS v6.0

Quote:
Originally written by Excalibur:
Edit:  Version 6.0?  That's strange.
There have been five of these threads prior to this one.
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 10:48 PM #26 BoA BUGS v6.0

From what I can see, item ability 65: Affect Rune Reading skill, does nothing in actual practice.  Ditto when it is rephrased as item ability 43: “Affects the statistic equal to this value, minus one”.  (Rune Reading is statistic number 42.)

You can increase Arcane Lore via an item ability, but this increase does not affect Rune Reading, unlike increases to Arcane Lore coming from skill points.  I think Rune Reading is redundant, there is no need for both it and Arcane Lore.

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 11:16 PM #27 BoA BUGS v6.0

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I think Rune Reading is redundant, there is no need for both it and Arcane Lore.
It's not completely redundant, but the main practical effect of having two separate skills is that parties with a lot of priests don't need to buy much Arcane Lore, which may or may not be good for game balance.

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 03:28 AM #28 BoA BUGS v6.0

short teleport_party(short new_loc_x,short new_loc_y,short fade_type)
mode -
0 full teleport flash
1 no teleport flash
2 only fade flash // this does not work in practice.

The first two modes work, while the third does not, it only produces a flash.

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 03:41 AM #29 BoA BUGS v6.0

You mean it produces the flash but doesn't teleport? If that's what you mean there'd be an easy workaround - just call the function again with mode 1.
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Posted 14 October 2007 - 06:35 AM #30 BoA BUGS v6.0

Yeah, what do you think it's supposed to do? The description is vague enough that I'm honestly not sure...

If you really just need the flash, then just use put_boom_on_char(1000,2,0);

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 03:35 PM #31 BoA BUGS v6.0

Time: Manual correction
I drew up this table of time versus day/night cycles in BoA by using the following two calls:
s = get_current_tick() % 5000;
print_big_str("The time is now ",s," minutes.");

3,750 = start of dusk
4,000 = it gets darker
4,250 = darker still
4,500 = (midnight)
4,750 = brighter
5,000 = brighter still
(A new calendar day starts now.)
250    = daylight

Teleportation
Yes, I wanted the party to be teleported not surrounded by pretty lights, that is why I chose “teleport party” not an SFX call. Fortunately the modes 0 and 1 both work.

While I am at it, we really need a bugs page that lists the bugs in some definite order.  For instance, bugs affecting calls could be listed in the order in which the calls are described in the Wiki guide.

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 04:31 PM #32 BoA BUGS v6.0

TM's info on day/night cycle is here.  http://forum.nethergate.net/index.php?showtopic=328

Pretty much the same data, but I don't think this was ever mentioned on spiderweb and it has some other useful stuff.
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Posted 14 October 2007 - 05:04 PM #33 BoA BUGS v6.0

Quote:
Originally written by Ishad Nha:
While I am at it, we really need a bugs page that lists the bugs in some definite order.  For instance, bugs affecting calls could be listed in the order in which the calls are described in the Wiki guide.
If you'd like to spearhead that, then go ahead. Otherwise, I see nothing wrong with the current setup... designers really should familiarize themselves with the entire list.

Though come to think of it, I could modify the original post to keep things updated, since Kel doesn't seem to pop in all that much. Yay being a mod!

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 11:50 AM #34 BoA BUGS v6.0

I do still check this site from time to time. I'll probably be around a little more in a month or two, but this semester has really killed me with work and stuff.

But if anyone would like to organize the bugs list or create a new post that covers more, there's nothing stopping you. The only reason my post is the definitive one right now is that it's the only effort anyone has made to be comprehensive.
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Posted 25 October 2007 - 10:19 AM #35 BoA BUGS v6.0

There's a bug with item graphics. If you give an item an inventory graphic that is not in the first row of the sheet, it will be displayed correctly in the Get window, but once it is in the inventory the graphic at the top of the same column will be shown instead (ie, if it was slot 11 or 21, then the graphic in slot 1 will be displayed). Floor graphics in the second row work perfectly fine.
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