Tenderfoot Thahd Technoctopus Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Before I say anything, I would like to say that I have read the thread earlier about the graphical problems caused by Leopard, mine seems to be both different and worse. I just bought the newest generation of MacBook and much to my dismay found that the load screen as well as the rest of the game is completely garbled to the point where it is unusable. Using command+n to create a new game showed that this problem was not just with the loading screen, but with the entire game, making it completely unplayable. Is this a fixable problem? It is much worse than a few lines. Here are some screenshots to give you a better idea of my problem: the load game splash page gameplay screenshot Anybody else run into this problem? I'm worried that it will happen in A5 too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon The Almighty Doer of Stuff Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Did you try uninstalling completely and reinstalling? If this is a demo version, download a fresh copy of the installer from main website and reinstall using the new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Technoctopus Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 It's a full version, I tried redownloading it, which didn't help. Then I deleted the prefs and tried again to no avail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish Joel Sanda Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Technoctopus:It's a full version, I tried redownloading it, which didn't help. Then I deleted the prefs and tried again to no avail. I've seen a similar problem with Avernum 4 on my new MacBook with Leopard. I tossed Avernum 4 on to play a bit before Avernum 5 was released. My problem seems to be in between what you describe and the lines described in the previous thread. I downloaded the latest version from Spiderweb when I installed it - and there were no preference files since it was a clean install on my new computer. The problem I had developed into something very similar to what your screenshots show - the longer I played the worse it became. Bummer ... one of the first things I *always* put on a new Mac are the Spiderweb games I own. I hope the problem is sufficiently simple enough new builds can be made of the Avernum series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Jeff is hoping that Apple comes out with an update to fix the problems. In the mean time he's working on getting Avernum 5 out this month so it works with Leopard. He may have to port all the graphics files to a different format and then have testers go through to see if all the graphics work. I think he's hoping to avoid this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk macdude22 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I've got a few odd colored lines when I boot Avernum 4, I've reinstalled the game as well. Hopefully it's fixed soon as I need to hit the A4 for a refresher before A5. I haven't installed 10.5 on my MBP yet so I may just play it on there, I hadn't installed yet because GroupCal hasn't been updated for 10.5 compatibility yet, what I was grumbling about I may now soon be happy about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Technoctopus Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Randomizer:Jeff is hoping that Apple comes out with an update to fix the problems. In the mean time he's working on getting Avernum 5 out this month so it works with Leopard. He may have to port all the graphics files to a different format and then have testers go through to see if all the graphics work. I think he's hoping to avoid this. Well if he needs someone who has this problem I could be a guinea pig for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Spidweb Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 For now, play the "Older Macs" version of the game. We'll see how things look when Apple releases 10.5.1. There are a lot of bugs in Leopard at this point. - Jeff Vogel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Technoctopus Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 Actually the problem persists in the older macs version as well... I'll wait for the Leopard update. It'd be a shame if I couldn't play A5 due to hardware problems though, I've been a Spiderweb fan since Exile 2 was the new kid on the block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Technoctopus Posted November 13, 2007 Author Share Posted November 13, 2007 Just a small update, A5 doesn't work. Hopefully the Leopard update will help out, I understand you're busy now with the release and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk macdude22 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I'm not experiencing any issues with A5 on 10.5. It is running smooth for me, and so far the story is solid. The Dock turns wonky after quitting but running the mouse over them turns them back. My parallels seems to do a similar thing. A4 is continuing to give the corrupt lines across the screen. Specs. 2.33 ghz Core 2 Duo iMac Radeon x1600 3GB Ram 10.5 Build 9A581 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Spidweb Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Technoctopus, for reports of this sort, information about your computer would be hugely helpful. What sort of Mac do you have and, very importantly, what sort of video card does it have? - Jeff Vogel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd Technoctopus Posted November 14, 2007 Author Share Posted November 14, 2007 I have the very newest model of MacBook, here is my System Profiler data: Hardware Overview: Model Name: MacBook Model Identifier: MacBook3,1 Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo Processor Speed: 2.2 GHz Number Of Processors: 1 Total Number Of Cores: 2 L2 Cache: 4 MB Memory: 2 GB Bus Speed: 800 MHz Boot ROM Version: MB31.008D.B00 SMC Version: 1.24f2 Serial Number: W87440NL0HC Sudden Motion Sensor: State: Enabled Graphics/Displays: Intel GMA X3100: Chipset Model: GMA X3100 Type: Display Bus: Built-In VRAM (Total): 144 MB Vendor: Intel (0x8086) Device ID: 0x2a02 Revision ID: 0x0003 Displays: Color LCD: Display Type: LCD Resolution: 1280 x 800 Depth: 32-bit Color Built-In: Yes Core Image: Hardware Accelerated Main Display: Yes Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Supported Display Connector: Status: No display connected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora AstroRaptor Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 I've nothing constructive to add to this discussion, except to say that my new Leopard MacBook (Intel graphics, I assume) is experiencing the same problem. I guess I should just sit tight and wait for Apple or Jeff to track down the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Spidweb Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 I have tracked down the problem. It appears that this MacBook is the first Macintosh in, well, ever that does not support Thousands of Color mode. This is really messing my games up. They run in Thousands of Colors mode for a variety of good reasons (chief among them being compatibility with older machines). I am working hard on a fix, and it should be out in the near future. - Jeff Vogel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Spidweb Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 We have put up on our site a temporary test update for Avernum 5 v1.0.1. This new version runs in millions of colors mode, will work on new Macbooks, and gets rid of the annoying corrupted dock problem. It can be downloaded, until v1.0.1 is out, at ftp://ftp.spiderwebsoftware.com/temp/Avernum5v101test.sitx.bin Feedback (including just saying that it works fine) is welcome at spidweb@spiderwebsoftware.com. If you have an older Mac that can't handle 1024x768 resolution at millions of colors, getting this version is a bad idea. We do plan to leave v1.0 available for people with old macs. - Jeff Vogel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Niemand Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I don't have any information relating to Avernum 5 or new computers that don't support 'thousands of colors' mode, but I thought that this might be a good place to comment that I've found that Blades of Avernum seems to run fine under Millions of Colors: I've been using a second monitor with my laptop, and though BoA keeps setting the laptop screen to thousands, it works perfectly on the other monitor which is set to millions. If I may ask, why do the games run in thousands mode, when the point with supporting older computers is that they really need thousands mode or higher ? We've had no problem with the 3D editor running in thousands or millions of colors, as it just asks Quickdraw to select color depth automatically. Is there some reason that coupling this with a check that the color depth is at least 16 bits won't work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd RiotGearEpsilon Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 The 1.0.1 test version solved the problem on my computer, Jeff. Whatever you did, it worked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora AstroRaptor Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 With the 1.0.1 fix working so well on Avernum 5, are there plans to do the same thing with the other Avernum and Geneforge games? I just checked A4, and it's currently still suffering from the lack of thousands of colours on my Macbook. Is it lots of work to recompile for millions? Is there work underway on a more "correct" fix, I suppose one which would make a single game playable on both older and new Macs? Whoops, that's quite a lot of questions, I didn't mean to ask so many. Thanks for your time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Jeff announced in his newsletter that Avernum 4 and 5, Blades of Avernum, Geneforge 4 and Nethergate: Resurrection will get upgraded. No word on the older games. There are test versions of the upgrades available, but some have minor problems that will get corrected before they become official. You could try downloading them from the different game forums and see if they work better on your system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Spidweb Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 "If I may ask, why do the games run in thousands mode, when the point with supporting older computers is that they really need thousands mode or higher ? We've had no problem with the 3D editor running in thousands or millions of colors, as it just asks Quickdraw to select color depth automatically. Is there some reason that coupling this with a check that the color depth is at least 16 bits won't work?" The games did run on 1000s of colors mode or higher. I put in code to make sure they wouldn't die on those machines. The problem is that in Leopard Apple broke a bunch of Quickdraw stuff, which meant that the code I put in to ensure the games would run in a machine not in 1000s of colors mode no longer functions correctly. So, at the heart of it, it's really a Leopard problem. At any rate, I will be releasing official working versions of the games in the next few days. - Jeff Vogel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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