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Poll: U.S. Presidential Election, 2016 (38 member(s) have cast votes)

Did you vote in the 2016 United States presidential election?

  1. Yes (23 votes [60.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.53%

  2. No (not an American citizen) (9 votes [23.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.68%

  3. No (citizen, but not eligible) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. No (abstained) (3 votes [7.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.89%

  5. No (other) (3 votes [7.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.89%

Whom did you vote for, or would have voted for, in the 2016 United States presidential election?

  1. Hillary Clinton (Democratic) (22 votes [57.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.89%

  2. Donald Trump (Republican) (5 votes [13.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.16%

  3. Gary Johnson (Libertarian) (1 votes [2.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.63%

  4. Jill Stein (Green) (2 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  5. Other (3 votes [7.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.89%

  6. Nobody (2 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  7. Don't know (3 votes [7.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.89%

What is your political affiliation in the U.S., or what would be your affiliation?

  1. Democratic Party (13 votes [34.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.21%

  2. Republican Party (3 votes [7.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.89%

  3. Independent / Nonpartisan / Unaffiliated (13 votes [34.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.21%

  4. Libertarian Party (1 votes [2.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.63%

  5. Green Party (1 votes [2.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.63%

  6. Other (3 votes [7.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.89%

  7. Don't know (4 votes [10.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.53%

Which of the following most closely matches your opinion of the Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton?

  1. Very Positive (2 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  2. Somewhat Positive (7 votes [18.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.42%

  3. Neutral (7 votes [18.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.42%

  4. Somewhat Negative (9 votes [23.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.68%

  5. Very Negative (13 votes [34.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.21%

  6. Don't know (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Which of the following most closely matches your opinion of the Republican candidate Donald Trump?

  1. Very Positive (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Somewhat Positive (2 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  3. Neutral (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Somewhat Negative (7 votes [18.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.42%

  5. Very Negative (29 votes [76.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 76.32%

  6. Don't know (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 07 November 2016 - 07:52 PM #1 U.S. Election Day, 2016

The election is nigh, and as in the past, I have posted a poll of fellow Spiderwebbers. All questions are anonymous.
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Posted 07 November 2016 - 08:11 PM #2 U.S. Election Day, 2016

But our answers aren't.  Something for Slarty to analyze instead of dealing with the back log of his projects.  :)
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Posted 07 November 2016 - 08:35 PM #3 U.S. Election Day, 2016

I didn't do a large amount of research into how much I liked Hilary, so for the most part she's neutral to me, overall a bit meh. Trump, however, ugh. Ever time I listen to him open his mouth it is like I can feel whatever shreds of respect for humanity and my fellow countrymen slipping away. Under no circumstances will I ever want someone like him to lead my country, so the choice was an obvious one for me. Perhaps if Trump wasn't....Trump, then I would have actually looked into the third part candidates for the first time, but I do not hate Hilary and I'm not willing to take away votes from her, so ya. That's my vote. (Then again I doubt it is much of a surprise to see someone form California voting for the Democratic nominee....)
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Posted 07 November 2016 - 08:40 PM #4 U.S. Election Day, 2016

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Posted 07 November 2016 - 09:36 PM #5 U.S. Election Day, 2016

I wrote in a vote for Alcritas.

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Posted 08 November 2016 - 05:36 AM #6 U.S. Election Day, 2016

This must be an exciting time for all of you. I can't wait until the results are out.

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Posted 08 November 2016 - 01:32 PM #7 U.S. Election Day, 2016

ok story time.

so in like may, neb, iffy, and i moved to ohio, from colorado.

we all did the exact same paperwork to register in ohio. we all had the same paperwork, same colorado licenses, same everything.

they both got back the cards saying everything was fine.

i got back a letter basically saying i was voter id law'ed and would not be voting.

literally the only thing different about us was that they were both nonaffiliated, and i switched to dem last year to caucus, and hadn't changed it back.

i'm not saying it's kasich's doing, but *tinfoil hat sounds*

Edited by sylae, 08 November 2016 - 01:34 PM.
dat insane swing state advertising tho


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Posted 08 November 2016 - 03:27 PM #8 U.S. Election Day, 2016

View Postsylae, on 08 November 2016 - 01:32 PM, said:

i'm not saying it's kasich's doing, but *tinfoil hat sounds*
I highly doubt Kasich would do anything that might help Trump.
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Posted 08 November 2016 - 08:11 PM #9 U.S. Election Day, 2016

I'm apparently the only person so far with a strongly positive view of Clinton.

She's a damn good politician. She has a comprehensive agenda that has a lot that I like. (Her chances of making that agenda happen are nil, like all presidential platforms, but she's aiming for the right goals.) She's not perfect, but she's very good.

—Alorael, who finds Trump alarming in a way that few serious presidential candidates have been. But plenty of ink and keystrokes have been spilled over that already.

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Posted 08 November 2016 - 09:03 PM #10 U.S. Election Day, 2016

The fact that she is a damn good politician is ones of the reasons people have a negative view of her. She can fit most negative stereotypes without straining imagination. Plus, since i started paying attention to politics she has to be the most unrelatable democrat candidate. To no fault of her own, simply democrats rely on the votes of minorities to tilt the turnout. But, the fact that she can't relate to the poor, to ethnic minorities, sexual minorities, etc... Not that she doesn't try, a good part of her campaign was visiting the homes of her voter base. But she was in this aspect; born into the wrong family. She is trying and i think the ammount of effort she put into maintaining this campaign in spite of everything its commendable And by the end she had some sort of edge. That alone speaks of leadership skills.
I myself can't strongly mind what she does there. But i hold a bitter grudge against her, over Libya i dislike interventionist policies anywhere. The never lead to any good and with all admiration i have for her, i can't forgive that one. I hope she doesn't make the same mistake again. I was very fond of Libya.

But true trump is not even comparable. At one point i thought he was trolling with the election thing or just making a huge publicity stunt. By the time we found out it was for real it was already too late! The disease had spread. There was no way to contain. Only to remedy. *Exit act*


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Posted 08 November 2016 - 09:25 PM #11 U.S. Election Day, 2016

protip: invest in companies like bnsf, union pacific, norfolk southern

stock prices will shoot right up once they get the contracts to ship all the queers and brown people that'll be herded into boxcars

Edited by sylae, 08 November 2016 - 09:26 PM.
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Posted 08 November 2016 - 09:43 PM #12 U.S. Election Day, 2016

America gets the president it deserves, I guess.

:(

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Posted 08 November 2016 - 11:33 PM #13 U.S. Election Day, 2016

I'm disappointed :/


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Posted 09 November 2016 - 01:58 PM #14 U.S. Election Day, 2016

Dear Privileged People

Politics divorced from materialism doesn't work.
Real privilege is material privilege. If you're rich, you're privileged. If you're poor, you're not privileged. All those other invisible supernatural privileges are just a plutocrat scam, an academic circle-jerk.
You self-styled progressives don't give a damn about the material living conditions of the working class.
Newsflash: The working class doesn't give a damn about your silly hipster fads.
The real commies at least had one good idea: Everyone had a right and duty to work. We have the right to freeze to death in the street while classist hipsters pass by.

Having won the propaganda war, the corporate oligarchs sponsor only two kinds of politicians:
1. Classists and imperialists with a thin coating of political correctness.
2. Classists and imperialists with a thin coating of populism.

Enjoy your Drumpf.

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 06:40 PM #15 U.S. Election Day, 2016

@Alex

You might want to actually talk to some of the "self-styled progressives". And maybe pay attention to their living conditions. It's not just straight white people who can't make ends meet; and seriously, if you think that money is the only form of privilege and independent of anything else, you are either in some serious denial or have been living in a cave your entire life.

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 06:59 PM #16 U.S. Election Day, 2016

Friendly mod warning to all of us here: this thread is in danger of being locked.  Let's please hold it to a higher standard of civility than the election had.  There is more than enough bitter self-righteousness to go around at the moment.  We don't need it here.  Also, the code of conduct still applies: be friendly, including when speaking about broad groups of people.  It's possible to be critical without being a jerk, and there are some worthwhile topics being brought up, so I hope we can manage that.  Thanks.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 07:34 PM #17 U.S. Election Day, 2016

View PostMourning in America, on 08 November 2016 - 08:11 PM, said:

She's a damn good politician. She has a comprehensive agenda that has a lot that I like. (Her chances of making that agenda happen are nil, like all presidential platforms, but she's aiming for the right goals.) She's not perfect, but she's very good.

The thing is, if she were a damm good politician she would have won the election.  Secretary Clinton is simply not a good enough communicator to be a damm good politician.  Try comparing her to FDR or Reagan.  They were both damm good politicians.  They had many of the same politician "virtues" that Secretary Clinton had, but they could communicate so much better than she can.

As I consider my opinion and read other opinions of how she lost the election that she should have won, more and more it comes down to communication and likability.  You can even call it charisma if you like, but while she may have it to her closest friends, she does not have it on the national stage.  She could (and often did) present better plans, more thought out policies and was closer to factual (despite a level of personal corruption that would get any non-political appointee fired or jail time) than her opponent, and arguably won the three debates, but she couldn't make enough people like her.

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 09:42 PM #18 U.S. Election Day, 2016

Quick diversion, anyone know why the disappointed smiley seems like a smirk in this website?

That being said; would people choose a "likeable" business man over a neurosurgeon to perform brain surgery? Some aspects of your personality you can't help, but skill and experience can, and those really matter.

Also, here's a comprehensive list of real commies:
-Possibly Jesus Christ.
-yah, thats it.

It is a common misconception that communism may actually be implemented. Real communism would see no need for a government. The people on their own would work for the gopd of all, on their own volition and will, and do the best they can. A good ideal but how many are willing to do so? And i mean without any hope of religious salvation. Do your best for its own sake or the sake of those around you. Not many that i know off.

Now if you mean socialism. You had the duty, not right to work, you had the right to housing and were forbidden to beg, you had the duty to be educated, serve on the military, etc.. now the work you have isn't always the one you want. Specially without higher education. Your housing might be a one bedroom houselet, with outdoors bathroom, that you have to share with 3 other families. Universities were highly competitive. It would take many generations of people that are honestly exploited until you have a society where each family has their own housing, being able to do what you want and have access to university without competition. And by the 80s well, things were looking better, but here's how you're mistaken on previledge being only money. For a given job, say chemical engineer, you're paid say 1000 rubles a month in Moscow as well as in Novosibirsk, however, you get cheaper goods in moscow, better services, hospitals and schools are better suplied, imported goods are more common, friends in high places are more accessible, you both would have a 3 bedroom apartment but one in Moscow is obviously worth more. Finally, ask any Russian how they feel about Muscovites, i think "classist hipsters" wouldn't be uncommon  to hear. Being one myself i can assure you of that.
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Posted 10 November 2016 - 04:20 AM #19 U.S. Election Day, 2016

Unfortunately like ability has become a necessary skill for a politician, just like it is for a salesperson.  There is certainly plenty of room to doubt President-Elect Trump's skills and abilities as a businessperson.  There is no room to doubt his ability is a salesperson.  President Obama's resumee was very thin on accomplishments when he was elected, but his skills and abilities as a salesperson/community organizer were very good and his likability was good.  Obviously I would prefer someone with more skills and abilities in many areas than either our current president or our president-elect, but here we are.  

My educational background is in engineering.  Nobody cares if the engineer in the back cubicle is like able or not, there just care about their skills.  On the other hand, if that engineer is going to deal with the customer/public in any way shape or form, they need to learn to at least fake like ability.  Just like the highly skill neurosurgeon needs to be able to learn to simulate at least a little bed side manner even if they are never going to do anything but surgery.

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 07:28 AM #20 U.S. Election Day, 2016

Still not how it should be. She's competent. Even went to lenghts to connect with her voter base. And told ppl to "Pokemon go to the polling stations" but nobody listened. Now look at this. Sadting.

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 11:11 AM #21 U.S. Election Day, 2016

It's hard to not feel this very personally, as a poor trans woman and left activist. So, my comments will remain brief.

Suffice to say, likeability is a crucial feature for a good president, even beyond just public appeal. The president is also the face of US diplomacy, after all, and no one can say that that doesn't require skill. The president also is the face of their political party, which means that they are instrumental in maintaining party discipline. In both of these applications, I think Clinton would have been far more skilled than Trump.
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Posted 10 November 2016 - 02:54 PM #22 U.S. Election Day, 2016

People have been far too focused on prejudicial comments during Trump's campaign without considering why people actually voted for him. A lot of his voters do think he's unqualified and of poor temperament. The US once had a robust manufacturing economy and has since transitioned to a service economy, but that transition has left millions of people behind. Trump won in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and probably Michigan. Trump won the election because people are angry that the decades have gone by without much improvement for a large fraction of the populace. Both Democrats and Republicans have contributed to this. Both (Bill) Clinton and Obama have contributed to this. So-called welfare reform did not alleviate poverty. Trade deals have mostly benefited the corporate world. The Affordable Care Act has raised premiums without providing the public with universal health coverage. If you dismiss people's concerns as nothing more than bigotry, then you are indirectly supporting the likes of Donald Trump. I hope that members of the Democratic party and the left in general will see how neoliberalism, or the Third Way, has failed.
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Posted 10 November 2016 - 04:28 PM #23 U.S. Election Day, 2016

So they elected a president whose companies have bought substandard merchandise from China, doesn't pay small American businesses for work they have done, and said in the third debate we need more regulation to make people like him do the right things.

Republicans will have no one left to blame now that they control the Presidency and Congress just like under the last Bush and it drove the country into the worst recession since the Great Depression.  Trump has a long history of hiring incompetents to run his businesses into bankruptcies.  Plus they must have failed to overseen the work if 60 times he refused to pay for shoddy workmanship.  He'll fit into Washington with cost overruns and fraud for government projects.
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Posted 10 November 2016 - 05:50 PM #24 U.S. Election Day, 2016

View PostCallie, on 10 November 2016 - 02:54 PM, said:

People have been far too focused on prejudicial comments during Trump's campaign without considering why people actually voted for him. A lot of his voters do think he's unqualified and of poor temperament. The US once had a robust manufacturing economy and has since transitioned to a service economy, but that transition has left millions of people behind. Trump won in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and probably Michigan. Trump won the election because people are angry that the decades have gone by without much improvement for a large fraction of the populace.

This actually isn't really the case.

“A major study from Gallup’s Jonathan Rothwell confirmed this. Trump support was correlated with higher, not lower, income, both among the population as a whole and among white people. Trump supporters were less likely to be unemployed or to have dropped out of the labor force. Areas with more manufacturing, or higher exposure to imports from China, were less likely to think favorably of Trump.”

“Even in the general election, while support for Trump is correlated most strongly with party ID, the second biggest factor, per the analysis of Hamilton College political scientist Philip Klinkner, was racial resentment. Economic pessimism and income level were statistically insignificant.”

Trump didn't win because he appealed to the disaffected poor- Clinton actually won more votes than Trump among the poor. He won because he appealed to the racial fears of the white majority that fears losing its majority.

View PostCallie, on 10 November 2016 - 02:54 PM, said:

If you dismiss people's concerns as nothing more than bigotry, then you are indirectly supporting the likes of Donald Trump.

There are real economic concerns. And Clinton wasn't tremendously better on them than Trump. They just aren't what decided this election. The problem, I think, is that it's very easy to use economic problems in combination with, or as a smokescreen for racial fears and insecurities: "the Mexicans are taking our jobs!" "China is taking all our manufacturing!" "Welfare queens!"

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 05:57 PM #25 U.S. Election Day, 2016

Trump had a roughly average Republican turnout. Clinton received many fewer votes than Obama. You can dice the numbers a lot of ways, but it's reasonable to see this election as one where the parties appealed to the same people they always appeal to, but the Democrats didn't get their base to actually go out and vote.

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 06:07 PM #26 U.S. Election Day, 2016

I read a quote from someone on Facebook, I forget who, about voting: "Voting is a chess move, not a valentine." It doesn't matter if you don't like either candidate. You flipping vote or you shaft your fellow Americans out of pure petty sore-loserness. I adore Bernie Sanders and voted for him in the primary, but I voted for Clinton anyway in the general election.

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 06:17 PM #27 U.S. Election Day, 2016

Forbes' take on the income correlation was that Clinton did better with both the rich and poor than Trump winning the middle class voters.  It appears that Trump may have been the first Republican since Goldwater to loose the affluent vote.  The concerns that Callie mentioned are not those of the poor, but those of the middle class.

As to the race piece, Trump surprised me by doing better among Hispanic voters then Romney did.  At least according to Pew's numbers, the margin of whites voting for Trump was almost identical as those who voted for Romney.  Clinton was unable to keep Obama's high margin for the democrats among hispanic and african-american voters.

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 06:22 PM #28 U.S. Election Day, 2016

View PostThe Almighty Doer of Stuff, on 10 November 2016 - 06:07 PM, said:

I read a quote from someone on Facebook, I forget who, about voting: "Voting is a chess move, not a valentine." It doesn't matter if you don't like either candidate. You flipping vote or you shaft your fellow Americans out of pure petty sore-loserness. I adore Bernie Sanders and voted for him in the primary, but I voted for Clinton anyway in the general election.

there are reasons for political abstention beyond childish character flaws

that you universally assign those you disagree with childish character flaws indicates a childish character flaw on your part

as usual, blaming third parties or insufficiently supportive party members or those not willing to play along with the ideal power schemes of organizations they don't agree with is an excuse for establishmentarians to avoid self-reflection and real revision of their strategies, power structures, and viewpoints.

citizens are not obligated to support their rulers. would-be rulers are obligated to entice citizens to support them. if they fail to do so, it is they who have failed, not those they failed to convince.

if you keep voting for a party that doesn't adequately represent you, get used to not being adequately represented, cuz they have no reason to change anything.
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Posted 10 November 2016 - 07:53 PM #29 U.S. Election Day, 2016

View PostThe Flower of Susquehanna, on 10 November 2016 - 06:22 PM, said:

there are reasons for political abstention beyond childish character flaws

that you universally assign those you disagree with childish character flaws indicates a childish character flaw on your part

The Amish generally don't vote because, since the President is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, they feel it would contradict their pacifism and conscientious objection, and make them complicit in war.

I don't necessarily agree with their choice but I can see and respect the logic behind it.

I think it's disappointing that Obama proved to be an outlier in terms of voter turnout rather than the sign of a trend towards greater, broader participation.

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 08:06 PM #30 U.S. Election Day, 2016

Political abstention isn't childish. It is a form of protest all should have the right to choose the person they want to lead them. In case that person isn't there of course you vote for no one rather than settling for less. I think this time would be the exception. Not because i don't believe in the right to self determination simply because one of the candidates is a possible severe threat to human rights, specially since he has legislative, executive and judicial powers with him. Not really a matter of being childish or not, but for once those elections shouldn't have been about choosing what is best, but at all costs avoiding the worse. So, while shaming people over that is pointless and unhelpful. Those votes would have made a difference.


On manufacturing x service economy. A service economy has need of qualified workers. So it is true the shift affected the poor. Specially since higher education is outrageously expensive over there. However to think trump might change it is myopic. American legal labour is too expensive. Much easier to move the manufacturing to India and China or the likes, minimum wage is lower, law enforcement on worker rights is less vigilant and crippling. Etc... And while services are generally required to be of quality; goods have less strict vigilance. So, if that is the main reason people voted for him, they have been very misguided. Specially as he himself is a business man and better than most understands that American labour is expensive.

Also idk why the middle class voted for trump. An average middle class person can't afford dialysis. But free healthcare would sort that out. Much better than health insurance which will try it's best not to pay(which also, btw, isn't free). An average middle class person has the need to educate their kids/themselves. Which well, at least to me, is unaffordable over there. So huge loans, long savings or painful payments are the only way to ensure that. While i doubt you'd get free education; government subsidised education would significantly help. I expect 50% would help out most the population. Paying taxes may feel painful, may be complicated, but it completely baffles me how people take it as just lost money.

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 09:25 PM #31 U.S. Election Day, 2016

This is the second time the electoral college gave the presidency to the candidate that got fewer popular votes in my lifetime. The first was back in 2000 when they gave it George W Bush. We really need to make it so the person that gets the most votes becomes president. Yet I can't help but wonder, If Bernie Sanders had won the primary, could he have beaten trump?

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 10:30 PM #32 U.S. Election Day, 2016

View PostKennedy, on 10 November 2016 - 09:25 PM, said:

Yet I can't help but wonder, If Bernie Sanders had won the primary, could he have beaten trump?

back in the primary, if you look at the "[sanders|clinton] v. trump" polling, bernie was destroying trump, and hillary was losing or barely ahead (edit: source: http://www.politifac...against-donald/ not as bad for h-dawg but still a pretty big difference)

but what do i know, i'm just a salty sanders supporter yelling "i told you so" while the world around me goes to hell. today, for instance, one of my coworkers was verbally attacked by a guest today because of her skin color. but hey, by the time HRT makes it so i can't pass as not-trans, trump will be inaugurated, so that'll be fun.

Edited by sylae, 10 November 2016 - 10:38 PM.
new plan: hide at home until 2020.


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Posted 10 November 2016 - 10:49 PM #33 U.S. Election Day, 2016

Yeezzy for president 2020!

Ok, but in all seriousness, if not done already try to legally change your name asap before the handover goes in effect. If possible move out of your hometown to somewhere where no one knows you're trans. There is no tattoo on anyone's head saying "im trans" no one can just guess. Keep safe folks.
Also; very important, get a passport and get information on visa deals USA has with other countries. Just in case worst comes to worst.

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 02:17 AM #34 U.S. Election Day, 2016

Getting a passport right now isn't a bad idea for trans people even if you don't plan on international travel, because in many states it's one of the easiest ID documents to get a gender change on, and that might not remain the case forever.

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 02:40 AM #35 U.S. Election Day, 2016

I didn't say it was childish. Most of the American children I know wish they had been allowed to vote against Trump.

I'd rather say it's cowardice. Not abstention, but abdication, a desertion of one's fellow citizens due to being too afraid of accepting for themselves (it's a secret ballot) that they made a tough choice that might possibly have a negative impact, and it doesn't matter if the world is worse for their cowardice, as long as they can pretend they weren't part of the democracy they live in.

Abdication is never about "protesting" because a protest has to be visible to others to have any impact, and when you vote, as far as anyone knows (and you can lie about this or refuse to discuss it) you only voted to give the pigs some leg room in their cages on the ballot questions.

Some countries make voting mandatory like jury duty, escapable only by being incapable of doing it with a doctor's note. I think America needs to go this route.




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