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Posted 05 October 2014 - 02:09 AM #1 Craft Circle for Romans

In several threads in this forum I have read that Rhian, the Druid NPC who can join your Roman party in Vanarium, starts out with 4 levels of Craft Circle and Beast Circle spells. Then in the discussion at the end of Synergy's item list, someone says that she starts out with 2 levels.

However, in the game I am currently playing, she started with only a single level in both Craft and Beast Circles. Has this changed from earlier versions of Nethergate?

Anyway, in Hagfen, you can buy another level of each, and then receive a +3 scroll for one or the other as a quest reward. The Emerald Helm can add another level on top of that. Therefore, it is possible to get to Level 6 in Craft Circle and Level 3 in Beast Circle (or vice versa, but I personally would go for the Craft Circle spells).

With the Beastmaster Bracelet, of course, you can get a further 3 levels of Beast Circle, for a total of 6 levels in both Craft and Beast Circles. If you chose instead the +3 Beast Circle scroll in Hagfen, you could end up with 9 levels in Beast Circle and 3 levels in Craft Circle, but it's not clear to me whether those top level spells can even be taught to the Romans.

For completeness, I should mention that if you kill Raven, you can also get a scroll which adds 3 levels to Health, War, Beast, and Craft Circles.

A couple of people have asked if there was any way to get around these limitations on what magic Romans are allowed to learn. Alorel suggested modifying the scripts, but that is a daunting undertaking for those of us without coding experience. A much easier approach would be to use the Character Editor to give yourself additional +3 scrolls; the item numbers are listed elsewhere in this forum.
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Posted 05 October 2014 - 03:22 AM #2 Craft Circle for Romans

Original Nethergate, she had 4 in Craft and 0 in Beast.
N:R Rhian should have 2 in each! She can then cast Word of Recall if she gets a Craft Circle scroll.
Carefully played, a Roman party should be alright with their lousy spell selection.

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Posted 11 October 2014 - 03:27 AM #3 Craft Circle for Romans

You are correct; Rhian starts with 2 levels of Craft and Beast. What threw me is that Moira in Hagfen will sell a single level of each, but not to Rhian. So after Hagfen, my other spellcaster had 1 level of Craft and Beast, while Rhian still had the 2 levels she started with. With the Emerald Helm and the +3 scroll, she can end up with 6 levels, meaning she can cast Word of Recall and Create Food (which should come in handy in Annwn).
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Posted 11 October 2014 - 04:15 AM #4 Craft Circle for Romans

My Celt party found the Emerald Helm but my Roman party did not seem to...

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Posted 11 October 2014 - 10:15 AM #5 Craft Circle for Romans

I got it from the Formorian village outside Goagh-Nar, after a fairly tough fight. My party was around level 12, I think. When I played as the Celts, I couldn't win that fight until my party was much higher in level.
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Posted 11 October 2014 - 07:59 PM #6 Craft Circle for Romans

Moira can only sell level 1 of Beast/Circle.
Rhian can't cast spells above level 5 without the Character Editor giving her the Druid Mastery trait.
A Sylak item can help with the Annwn food. (You will have to fight Reptrakos.)

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Posted 11 October 2014 - 09:03 PM #7 Craft Circle for Romans

I wasn't aware of this limitation because I couldn't learn the level 5 and 6 spells until after I had used the scroll. Even when Rhian is not wearing any armor at all, I get the error message that she cannot cast any spells over Level 5 while wearing encumbering armor.

As for Druid Mastery, i didn't think it was possible to use the Character Editor on the fifth character in a party. Have you actually done this?

Otherwise, I guess I will give the Emerald Helm to my other spell caster.
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Posted 12 October 2014 - 12:40 AM #8 Craft Circle for Romans

Character Editor would not work, hex editor on the save file should work, that would require some research. Should be easy enough.
"Armor" would include anything that encumbers? Including the Emerald Helm, not just body armor.

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Posted 12 October 2014 - 01:44 AM #9 Craft Circle for Romans

I unequipped every bit of wearable gear, even pieces with no encumbrance, and still got the same message. I imagine that's just what the game defaults to in this unique situation.

Hex editors are beyond my competence (which is fine; I only raised the subject of bypassing the Romans' limitations on magic use because several people had posted questions about it.)

If you were going to kill Raven for the All Circle scroll, then it would probably make sense to give it, plus the Hagfen +3 scroll, to a member of your original party with Druid Mastery, who could then theoretically cast Health, War, Beast, and Craft spells up to Level 8. However, I still don't know whether a Roman party is ever given the opportunity to learn all those spells.
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Posted 12 October 2014 - 05:03 AM #10 Craft Circle for Romans

Rhian loses the ability to cast Unshackle Mind when she has the Emerald Helm equipped.
You won't get Total Healing, Miraculous Revival, Heartshock, Wind Warriors or Call Hunt, you may not get Mighty Beast. You should get all the other spells.




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