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The worstest poll ever  

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  1. 1. If humans laid hard-shelled eggs like birds, would humans also have an open pelvic girdle the way birds do?

    • Yes
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    • No
      1
    • Maybe
      6
    • I don't understand the question
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    • Don't know/No opinion
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    • This question is terrible and I refuse to dignify it with a response
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Voted yes as a probability, but it wouldn't be a strict necessity.

 

The Platypus cloaca passes through its pelvic girdle, but its egg is only about the size of your thumbnail. The egg would have to be significantly bigger than the current human egg, but I would still have to believe that most women would be capable of passing it through the pelvic girdle. The much bigger physiological challenge would be expelling the egg from the body orifice - we'd need a couple anatomical changes outside the skeleton. Sure a baby can get through as it is, but that's an extreme effort... the egg would be pulverized.

 

Our bipedal nature would be another challenge. Were a large egg maturing inside of us, it seems like there would be a significant risk of damaging it by time it was time to lay the egg.

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Babies' head size is already a significant problem for human pelvises. I suspect eggs would require some major overhaul. Oh, and tough but flexible would work a lot better than calcified for the shell.

 

—Alorael, who alternately suggests that brains be redistributed along the spine. Long, thin babies are much easier than round-headed babies.

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why does the egg have to be as big as the current baby size? if we're popping out eggs just make them a bit smaller and have smaller babies.

 

i mean im not an expert on babies but they already appear to be useless and helpless for several years, whats like six more months of growth thrown on top of that

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why does the egg have to be as big as the current baby size? if we're popping out eggs just make them a bit smaller and have smaller babies.

 

i mean im not an expert on babies but they already appear to be useless and helpless for several years, whats like six more months of growth thrown on top of that

Human babies are already about as undeveloped as they can get without problems. Premature babies require special care and have a much higher mortality rate than full-term babies.

 

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Human babies are already about as undeveloped as they can get without problems. Premature babies require special care and have a much higher mortality rate than full-term babies.

 

Dikiyoba.

Most animals have babies that are pretty functional from birth. They have to be; most animals actually have fairly limited ability to physically move, clean, and feed babies, what with having no hands. Predators are a constant threat, especially to helpless young. And so on.

 

Humans and our massive brains required tradeoffs. Human babies are the hilarious underdeveloped runts of the animal kingdom. (In some company, like baby kangaroos, but still! Babies are utterly worthless for years!) That's because there's no way to get giant brains out of human-sized pelvises. The babies have to come out with tiny, squishy, larval brains in soft, open skulls. But there really isn't a lot of room to lose more. They're already coming out with the bare minimum to maintain life, and that still requires an immense outlay of effort by adults. Much more underdeveloped brains and the babies can't do things like swallow or breathe successfully.

 

—Alorael, who notes that even full-term babies have issues with these things. Babies will regularly just stop breathing for a while. They spit up all the time. They are remarkably bad at staying alive.

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I would guess if the process was similar that the 9-month gestation would occur in the egg, but outside the human parent. Since the birth canal can adopt the diameter of a grapefruit, we're talking a small grapefruit sized human, or a very long egg, absent adaptations in skletal structure. With those I would think a simple disjointing would be the best bet, as a similar process already happens to afford the change in pelvic girdle size. Also, Scorp!

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  1. Humans dont have 1 pelvis model, they have 2 (male and female). The female girdle is much wider and shallower, like a bowl, to accomodate the growing foetus, while the male girdle is much shallower and taller, much more similar to the bird's pelvis(this is why men don't sway their hips while walking). A forensic expert or a doctor can easily tell the difference between a male and female pelvis by this point(assuming the pelvis' owner is post pubescent).
  2. The female pelvic girdle is already partially open. Between the member bones is a buttload of cartilage(excellent pun totally included) like what makes up the nose or the ear. This means that the bones can be slightly disjointed to make the pelvis stretch and make the opening bigger. Kinda like a wristlet with beads set on an elastic thread, so they can the opening bigger, then easily slide back into place. Males have fibre, which is tough and will not move.

The head is what comes out first in a vast majority of normal births. It may be much softer in new borns, but its not like getting cream out of a tube. The head definitely takes up place and the place exists. Even hard shell eggs aren't brittle hard when they come out, but semi soft till they sort of set in the air and become hard which is similar to the baby skull.

 

And finally the platypus lays soft eggs. If we did lay eggs, it would probably be like them and not birds.

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